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Larni
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Message 106 of 136 (633987)
09-17-2011 8:20 PM


Thanks, fellas!

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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hooah212002
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Message 107 of 136 (633988)
09-17-2011 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Buzsaw
09-17-2011 6:12 PM


Re: Cherry Picked Faults
I did read it buz. That's kinda why I asked what it means. Perhaps you could explain?

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 136 (633993)
09-17-2011 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by hooah212002
09-17-2011 8:40 PM


Re: Cherry Picked Faults
hooah writes:
I did read it buz. That's kinda why I asked what it means. Perhaps you could explain?
Then look up the words; think objectively; specify what it is that you need help on.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 109 of 136 (633995)
09-17-2011 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Larni
09-17-2011 7:14 PM


Re: Irony or bollocks?
Larni writes:
You do know that I have taken these choice paragraphs and put them into my sig as a delicious irreverent comment on people talking bollocks?
Rather than being part of the body of my post?
Did you, rather egregiously make use of the word comprehend?
Irony writ large, I think.
Abe: to reduce the chance of other hard of thinking posters making a similar error with my sig, could someone tell me how to ensmallen the text size?
Apologies for being a format duffer.
Larni, you know the rules. Whether it be in your signature or in your message you need to identify the writer of whomever you quote.
You've juxtaposed two different authors into one statement, designating neither to the writer/s.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Larni
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Message 110 of 136 (634005)
09-18-2011 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Buzsaw
09-17-2011 9:40 PM


Re: Irony or bollocks?
Do you really want your name appended to the sig? One made with the express purpose of lampooning posts that are best described as 'bollocuss drivilus maximuss'?
I made no attribution because I feared I would be raked over the coals for deliberately and continually taking the piss of posters who rarely make a lick of sense.
I shall await an admin to guide me on this point.
Abe: I see admin has cleared this issue up: no attribution is needed.
Edited by Larni, : Abe

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Panda
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Message 111 of 136 (634007)
09-18-2011 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Larni
09-17-2011 8:20 PM


Really?
Larni writes:
Thanks, fellas!
So...Buz thought it appropriate to down-vote a post where you expressed gratitude to the people that gave formatting advice.
I think he is only seeing what he expects to see.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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hooah212002
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Message 112 of 136 (634008)
09-18-2011 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Buzsaw
09-17-2011 9:26 PM


Re: Cherry Picked Faults
Then look up the words; think objectively; specify what it is that you need help on.
Ok....
What does "segmentize" mean, Buz? (hint: it's not what YOU think it means)
ontology sub-microscopic chaos
What DOES this mean? I don't want you to dance around it, I just want a straight answer.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Larni
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Message 113 of 136 (634011)
09-18-2011 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Panda
09-18-2011 7:01 AM


Re: Really?
That will teach me!

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Message 114 of 136 (634013)
09-18-2011 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Larni
09-18-2011 6:05 AM


Re: Irony or bollocks?
Signatures do receive a modest bit of attention from moderators, but signatures are not part of the discussion, plus they appear after a left-justified gray separator line that is the hallmark of a signature here and so is a dead giveaway that the text that follows is part of the signature. I don't see how providing attribution would help indicate the text is part of a signature if someone has somehow missed the separator line.
The Member Control Panel now has a setting to turn off display of signatures, so anyone who would prefer not to see them can turn them off.

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fearandloathing
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Message 115 of 136 (634025)
09-18-2011 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Larni
09-18-2011 6:05 AM


Re: Irony or bollocks?
I say if Buzz wants credit for his part of your signature then let him have it. (personally I wouldn't admit to saying something like that, or claim I was drunk at the time.)
bollocuss drivilus maximuss
Too funny!! You should warn people to "SWALLOW BEFORE READING FURTHER" when posting stuff like that. It made me think of a Transformer...one that changes from a table saw into a christian gladiator.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Taz
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Message 116 of 136 (634046)
09-18-2011 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by dwise1
09-10-2011 5:49 PM


Re: Irony or bollocks?
dwise1 writes:
That is a very dangerous practice to undertake. For example, in a discussion on the CompuServe forum for scouting regarding religious discriminatory actions (despite officially published policies) of Boy Scouts of America, Inc, I misused the word "dissemble". At the time it seemed to fit what I wanted to describe, that I was "waffling" on terminology, wheras in reality it implied a deliberate attempt to deceive, which is not at all what I meant. In the Walsh trial in Chicago circa 1991, a BSA spy printed out select postings on CompuServe and relayed them on to BSA's legal team, who presented them as evidence in a federal trial. Needless to say, I got raked over the coals for that, along with a typo in which I had not typed in the work "not".
I, too, have had bitter experience with having a typo and getting burned from it.
Back when I was a cop, one time I wrote a memo on my whereabouts during the night in question. I had to quickly crank out this report after having worked a night shift and then immediately going straight to court to testify first thing in the morning. So, at some point in my memo, I said 2:15 instead of 12:15. I left out the 1 before the 2.
Anyway, I ended up with 2 charges because of that stupid typo, one for dishonesty and the other for unbecoming an officer. No matter how much I tried to explain to those clowns in the higher ups that it was a goddamn typo, they kept accusing me of being trapped in "a web of lies".
The memo read something like this. At 11pm I was at point A. At 2:15, I was at point B. Then I proceeded to go to point C at 1:30. How the fuck could it have been a lie if the following sentence clearly said I went to point C at 1:30. Common sense would have told them I meant 12:15 instead of 2:15. Goddamn bastards having no common sense.
Anyway, it just seems counter-productive to write out a non-sensible string of verbose like how buz and other creationists tend to do. Hence my original question.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 117 of 136 (634979)
09-25-2011 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-17-2011 1:48 PM


Re: Alfred Maddenstein
Otherwise, the brute reality here is that you share the fundamental view of existence with St. Augustine while insinuating stuff about me and other people. That's the kind of cognitive dissonance you suffer from, dearest professor.
I don't believe that this is the case: please substantiate your assertion.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Taz
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Message 118 of 136 (636261)
10-05-2011 12:40 AM


So, which is it? IamJoe either really talks like that (referring to my female reproduction thread) or he's gotten so used to trying to sound academically inclined. He can't write a single sentence in a straight forward manner. He has to write it in obfuscating verbose. May be he's trying to make himself sound like a wise old man who knows all?

  
Son Goku
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Message 119 of 136 (636266)
10-05-2011 4:33 AM


Confusing words
Generally I find two types of posts difficult to understand. The ones written in that confusing English that people here have mentioned, e.g.
"I am disturbed not by evolutions loaded impositions on evidential matters, subordinate and superordinate, by rather the assumptions it makes on fundamental beginnings, before the beginning was begun".
However much more difficult to deal with are the ones that combine this English with a rejection of obvious facts, e.g.
"In the interest of ontological honesty, let us be quite clear, you cannot "drink" water."
I first saw this in a statement I saw on here a long time ago, I forget who said it, where the poster said:
"You cannot "stand" on the surface of the Earth". I have absolutely no idea what people who say this stuff mean. In some posts here most of the time spent on composition is actually on understanding what was said to me.

  
Dr Adequate
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Message 120 of 136 (638158)
10-20-2011 10:09 AM


While citing IamJoseph here is about as sporting as shooting a large fish in a small barrel, I thought that this magnificent contribution should not go unrecognized.
Here's my new definition of science:
'THE DINNER TABLE IS READY FOR THE GUESTS'.

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