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Author Topic:   Do Christians Worship Different Gods?
Straggler
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Message 12 of 286 (629738)
08-19-2011 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by GDR
08-19-2011 1:45 PM


Re: Gods and God Concepts
GM writes:
You should be looking at how our individual worldviews shape our concept of god.
GDR writes:
I think that there is a lot to be said for that. I recommend a book by Robert Wright, (Straggler's a big fan) called "The Evolution of God". (Wright calls himself an agnostic materialist.) He would agree with you.
I would indeed recommend Robert Wright's book The Evolution of God
As I see it (and I think you would agree GDR) Wright would advocate, if he advocates any form of god at all, a rather ambiguous and generic presence that is not really compatible with a specifically Christian (or indeed any other particular faith) notion of god. Rather it is something that is ultimately responsible for the apparent existence of objective moral inclinations (truths?) that are exhibited by intelligent beings.
A sort of deistic "why" to the question of morality and altruism.
I don't agree with everything Wright says at all. But his less than dismissive views of the ultimate source of morality as a proponent of evolutionary psychology are interesting and worth any skeptic at least looking at IMHO.

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Straggler
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Message 29 of 286 (629984)
08-21-2011 7:21 PM
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08-21-2011 7:16 PM


Re: Gods and God Concepts
GDR writes:
God of course is a Canadian but we try to keep it quiet in our quiet humble way.
If there is a God He is indisputably British. This is just frankly inarguable.........

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Straggler
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Message 114 of 286 (631484)
09-01-2011 8:25 AM
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09-01-2011 6:12 AM


Re: Questioning God
Panda writes:
As far as I am aware, god only lurks on this site and hasn't yet created a login.
Ahem.
Just because I move in mysterious ways doesn't mean I am not here.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD
Edited by AdminPD, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 176 of 286 (632700)
09-09-2011 2:39 PM
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09-09-2011 2:36 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
The tree of life as opposed to the tree of knowledge?
How many of these trees were there...?

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Straggler
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Message 179 of 286 (632713)
09-09-2011 3:06 PM
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09-09-2011 2:48 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
So we got knowledge but not immortality?
And we could have had both.....?
Which would have made us "gods".....?

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Straggler
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Message 240 of 286 (634284)
09-20-2011 1:34 PM
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09-20-2011 1:16 PM


Re: different gods for different bods
So the conclusion here is that different flavours of Christian do indeed worship different gods. Is that correct?
Where do the "false" god concepts originate from......?

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Straggler
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Message 243 of 286 (634336)
09-20-2011 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by jaywill
09-20-2011 2:24 PM


J writes:
I encourage you to turn and believe into the Lord and join us:
But which version of the "Lord".....?
That is kinda the point of this thread isn't it?

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Straggler
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Message 246 of 286 (634389)
09-21-2011 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by GDR
09-21-2011 2:28 AM


Re: different gods for different bods
GDR writes:
All Christians would agree that ultimately God is a God of love...
Well not ALL Christians. There are a few notable exceptions. Preachers of Hate
GDR writes:
but all humans have a tendency to make God over in their own image, and as a result their views are impacted by their environment, so other stuff gets added on. I think I have spelled out what I believe, and frankly I'm confident that I what I believe is at least in general correct.....
But doesn't the God you believe to be correct essentially match your own moral stance? A moral stance that is a product of your own social environment? Isn't the version of God you are advocating exactly a perfected reflection of yourself in this sense at least?

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Straggler
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Message 247 of 286 (634391)
09-21-2011 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by jaywill
09-21-2011 7:58 AM


different gods to all practical intents and purposes
At what point does a different interpretation effectively become a different god?
Sounds to me like you and GDR are talking about different gods to all practical intents and purposes.

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Straggler
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Message 252 of 286 (634437)
09-21-2011 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by GDR
09-21-2011 1:22 PM


Re: different gods for different bods
Well I have to give you credit for practising what you preach.

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
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Message 255 of 286 (634508)
09-22-2011 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by GDR
09-21-2011 7:10 PM


Re: different gods for different bods
GDR writes:
I guess the point was though, that whatever credit there is to give shouldn't be given to me.
That actually sounds like quite a dangerous approach to me. If you dispossess yourself of responsibility for your own moral stance then it becomes impossible to morally reason. Now in your case you have found God and adopted a forgiving and compassionate moral stance. All well and good. But others equally convinced that their version of God is correct have adopted an abhorrant and hateful stance (as previously linked to).
If any challenge to one’s moral stance can be met with But it isn’t my moral stance, it is the one handed to me by God then I don’t see how we can hope to reason our way to a moral position and take responsibility for it’s consequences.

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