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Modulous
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Message 91 of 301 (634858)
09-24-2011 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by fearandloathing
09-24-2011 11:35 AM


Re: Food For Thought
If we could achieve .5c how long would it take to get there with the physical limits of the human body.
In a Newtonian world:
v = u + at
v-u
--- = t
a
v = 150,000,000 ms-1
u = 0ms-1
a = 10 ms2
Simple maths suggests 15,000,000 seconds or 250,000 minutes or 4,167 hours or 173 days.
Alaister Reynolds (sci fi author) often has his space vessels accelerating at about 10ms2 simulating normal gravity for the denizens. It takes a while, but accelerations add up very quickly.
Of course, the challenge comes in finding a way to accelerate something to such a degree for that long.

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Message 92 of 301 (634859)
09-24-2011 12:34 PM
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09-24-2011 12:31 PM


Re: Food For Thought
If I remember correctly, acceleration at 1 g will near light speed in about a year.
The actual doing of this is left as an exercise for the student.

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fearandloathing
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Message 93 of 301 (634860)
09-24-2011 12:38 PM
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09-24-2011 12:31 PM


Re: Food For Thought
Thanks, I done it in my head real fast and rounded it off to 5 months in my last post, closer to 6 though.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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IamJoseph
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Message 94 of 301 (634863)
09-24-2011 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Huntard
09-24-2011 9:14 AM


quote:
It's not the "greatest sustainence advocation to humanty". Like I said before, Genesis doesn't mention population management, it mentions population growth. Which is why your first argument was just population growth, and not population management. Now that you've seen you were wrong about it, you are trying to get Genesis to say things it doesn't, because in your view, it can't possibly be wrong.
Sustainence is generic and this is never negated by the pivotal factor of life. The context in which reproduction is given in Genesis can only refer to growth in the correct way, evidenced in a host of follow-up laws of advocation which call for stewardship and responsibility.The issue of sustainenece, growth vs management is a fillerbuster because it ignores the laws and hypes up a false charge.
We can vary on the 'when' which is a margin of small time period, but we cannot argue of the destruction which is inevitable if humanity fails to expand outside earth.

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IamJoseph
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Message 95 of 301 (634865)
09-24-2011 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by fearandloathing
09-24-2011 11:35 AM


Re: Food For Thought
quote:
Even if we develop nuclear powered engines, which Russia and the US are looking into again, we still have psychical limitations to take into account.
Disagree. We do not have limitations, when measured against our status of knowledge at any given period. The rain does not fall; it only falls in its due time - knowledge works that way too - a small overdose of knowledge before its due time, which has never occured, will have the human brain to self destruct. Limitations are broken by alignment with our knowledge - there is a sync factor here. This says one day we will be able to move a galaxy 5% to the left. Humans are not the highest life form on earth - but in the universe. We are it?
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Huntard
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Message 96 of 301 (634866)
09-24-2011 1:46 PM
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09-24-2011 1:32 PM


IamJoseph writes:
Sustainence is generic and this is never negated by the pivotal factor of life. The context in which reproduction is given in Genesis can only refer to growth in the correct way, evidenced in a host of follow-up laws of advocation which call for stewardship and responsibility.The issue of sustainenece, growth vs management is a fillerbuster because it ignores the laws and hypes up a false charge.
Which is why you first advocated unlimited population growth, instead of management? And now that you've been shown to be wrong, are advocating that you actually meant population management all along?
We can vary on the 'when' which is a margin of small time period...
No it isn't, it'll be a long while before we have enough technology to terraform other planets, let alone travel outside our solar system.
but we cannot argue of the destruction which is inevitable if humanity fails to expand outside earth.
A destruction still some 4.5 billion years in the future. Plenty of time, I'd say.

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IamJoseph
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Message 97 of 301 (634867)
09-24-2011 1:47 PM
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09-24-2011 12:34 PM


Re: Food For Thought
Everything is accelerating, including the universe expansion itself and the human brain. If we take a one cent coin and double it daily, we will end up with $11 Billion in one month. That is a slow expansion, based on doubling but not on compounding. It does appear the universe is making room for life forms to multiply. Even Darwin's theory recognizes elevation or destruction.

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Message 98 of 301 (634868)
09-24-2011 1:53 PM
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09-24-2011 1:46 PM


quote:
Which is why you first advocated unlimited population growth, instead of management? And now that you've been shown to be wrong, are advocating that you actually meant population management all along?
You are inserting growth instead of management and with no basis whatsoever. Who said we must forgo or disregard food, breathing or talking - you do!?
quote:
No it isn't, it'll be a long while before we have enough technology to terraform other planets, let alone travel outside our solar system.
In its due time is more appropriate.
quote:
A destruction still some 4.5 billion years in the future. Plenty of time, I'd say.
It does not work that way. Life is relatively new in the universe. The forward path is situational, and this is now borne out by the issues of population alarm - this says we must prepare soon to offset calamity, like in a mere few centuries, not billions of years.

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Huntard
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Message 99 of 301 (634869)
09-24-2011 1:55 PM
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09-24-2011 1:47 PM


Re: Food For Thought
IamJoseph writes:
If we take a one cent coin and double it daily, we will end up with $11 Billion in one month.
No we won't, can't you even do simple arithmetic? if you take 1 cent and double it dailyfor 31 days (the maximum days in a month), you will end with 2.147.483.648 cents, or $ 21.474.836,48 (rounded to $21.5 million). Nowhere near the 11 billion you proposed.

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fearandloathing
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Message 100 of 301 (634870)
09-24-2011 1:59 PM
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09-24-2011 1:40 PM


Re: Food For Thought
We do not have limitations, when measured against our status of knowledge at any given period
I am not exactly sure what you mean? But we do have physical limitations, I you were to be accelerated at a speed that = 10g's for an hour it would kill you.
If you meant that in time we might be able to develop some type of inertial damping technology that would allow us to accelerate faster.... one day maybe we might be able to do this....
Sorry but the rest of your post just confuses me.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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IamJoseph
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Message 101 of 301 (634871)
09-24-2011 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Huntard
09-24-2011 1:55 PM


Re: Food For Thought
10 doubles per row:
1c,2,4,8,16,32,64, $1.28, 2.56, 5.12,
10.24, 20.48, 40.96, 81.92, 163.84, 327.68, 655.36, 1310.72, 2621.44, 5242.88
10485.76, 20971.52, 41943.04, 83886.08, 167772.16, 335544.32, 671088.64, 1342177.28, 2684354.56, 5368709.12,
10737418.24, 21474836.48, 42949672.96, 858993459.92, 171798691.8, 343597383.6, 687194767.2, 1374389534, 2748779068, 5497558136,
My PC collapsed after 44 doubles. List the balance if you can.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Message 102 of 301 (634872)
09-24-2011 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by fearandloathing
09-24-2011 1:59 PM


Re: Food For Thought
The relativity factor applies.

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fearandloathing
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Message 103 of 301 (634873)
09-24-2011 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by IamJoseph
09-24-2011 2:14 PM


Re: Food For Thought
The relativity factor applies.
Applies to what?
If your going to answer a question it helps to know what the question was that you are answering. I know you know how to quote.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 104 of 301 (634874)
09-24-2011 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by fearandloathing
09-24-2011 2:17 PM


Re: Food For Thought
Going to the moon in 1969 was great, but for today's knowledge it is not. Reaching another solar system in 200 years will be relatively normal. Knowledge is a compoinding factor - everytime a new discovery is made, millions of ancililary new finds come to us for nought.

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fearandloathing
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Message 105 of 301 (634875)
09-24-2011 2:24 PM
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09-24-2011 2:12 PM


Re: Food For Thought
My PC collapsed after 44 doubles. List the balance if you can
You only need 31 doubles for a month, seems the answer lies in your own list.
21474836.48
Wow You seem to confuse even yourself.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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