Your EvC Debate Dream Team - Fantasy Debating

Not at all, friend Froggy. All that keeps evolutionist sheeple from thinking for themselves is the fact that the secularistic evolution myth of chaos into order is programmed into their young minds full of mush all the way from pre-school through doctorate degree.Creationists think for themselves. We apply common sense and logic in arriving at our interpretations of observable evidence.

I would be game for for such a debate with my good brother ICANT.No doubt we could engage in such a debate in a friendly manner, airing our differences of what we consider to be the true Biblical applications of creationism.

Except that even people who somehow sidestep this indoctrination - for instance, the naturalists of Darwin's time who, primarily, trained in seminaries - home in on evolution.The evolutionists here at EvC are overwhelmingly not a group whose knowledge of biology comes from formal education, but by their own independent study. I myself was an evolutionist long before I was exposed to it in school; my early knowledge of the science of evolution came through creationists.Contrast that with you and your creationists - universally of the same religious movement, universally of the same politics, universally of the same opposition to mainstream science in other fields. (For instance, EvC forum has zero creationists who also accept the scientific consensus of global warming.) The only reason you guys don't have universally the same position on creationism is that, since there's no truth to it, you've all had to make it up as you went. There's no surprise when multiple liars find themselves unable to agree on the lie.

Hi Straggler One of my favorite quotes: If the two of us were on the same team, tag-teaming on the opposition, the thread would be over the 300 post limit before the other side finished their opening statements Enjoy it for whatever it is worth.

Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Actually on political matters I have found myself on the same side as RAZD plenty of times.Cest la vie.

Any evidence for that? Links? Pics or it didn't happen

Maybe I imagined it.......

Not really on topic at all - But I wanted to ask.What is with the recent change of name?What happened to the R and the A...?

We have GOT to make this happen.

Hi Strags RAZD still works, I was just struck\touched by Dawn Bertot calling me 'Zen Deist' in our debate (that I need to get back to) and I found I liked it.Pure subjective response eh? Plus, in response to a post I can saySee Zen Deist ... (ducks)Enjoy.Edited by Zen Deist, : added pun

That is quite probably the best compliment anyone has ever given me, particularly from "the opposition."Thanks, Chuck. Don't sell yourself short. You're among the most rewarding Creationists I've debated with here, simply because you seem to actually pay attention to what's said in a debate. In many debates, one or both sides fail to speak to each other and instead talk at each other, typically for the benefit of the lurkers because both sides consider their opponents hopeless brick walls.You'll rarely find a better place to learn than EvC, not just about the topics of discussion like theology and biology, but of how to argue, and even how to think for yourself rather than just parroting what you're told.

Hi RahvinI have to agree with Chuck's post. Frankly I'm awed by your responses in the "Study of the Supernatural" even though I don't agree with your ultimate conclusion. What you're saying is way above my pay grade yet I'm still able to understand your point, to rephrase in my words what Chuck said.I'd be really interested to know what your background is if you're not too shy.

That is so not true buz...Is there anything at all that could convince you otherwise?I wet through Catholic school and we never learned "chaos into order" or really anything about evolution, honestly. When I went to college I took a 100 level biology course on human evolution. The professor even prefaced the course with an explanation that he didn't expect anyone to believe these scientific explanations as the truth, but that he did expect us to be able to explain what the scientific explanation was (and that's what we'd be tested on regardless of whether or not we believed any of it). I was a creationist beforehand and still a creationist afterwards, but I did accept the scientific explanation for how humans evolved because of all the evidence presented throughout the course.

Catholic school may be different than public school. but public school science has assumed evolution for a long time.Even back in the early 1940s when I was in grade school I remember the 5th grade teacher telling us about grunting cavemen.Were it not for church and the Bible, I would have likely become an evolutionist just from being taught that in school.Btw, I see the term creationist as incongruent to evolutionist. Creationism implies a creator, rather than disorganized soup to life to organized complexity absent of a creator. No?What creationist dream team would want the likes of you debating evolutionists, CS? You'd need to be a very efficient devil's advocate. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------