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Dr Adequate
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Message 256 of 343 (636109)
10-04-2011 2:35 AM
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10-04-2011 1:41 AM


And yet, sea shells are found on all of the peaks that tower 4 and 5 miles above sea level while none are found in the smaller ranges of the western United States.
Well since creationist water washes sediment upwards, clearly those mountains aren't tall enough to have any marine deposits. The layers of seashells must be somewhere above them, and presumably have thus far been mistaken for clouds by godless scientists blinkered and prejudiced by their uniformitarianismist assumptions about gravity.

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Pressie
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Message 257 of 343 (636112)
10-04-2011 3:43 AM


Ha, wait, I got a reply in my e-mail from someone called Faith G. He referred me to this blogspot The Fantasy of Evolution: blah de blah blah blah EvC blah de blah. He calls my questions "silly".
From that blogspot I get the following "answer":
The Fantasy of Evolution writes:
This guy is a SYE-UN-TIST, geewhilikers!
Hey, the answer is A FLOOD DOESN'T HAVE AN AGENDA, IF THERE ARE NO SEA SHELLS TO BE PICKED UP IN A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD IT CAN'T DEPOSIT THEM WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE ENDED UP IN A MOUNTAIN.
ALSO, some mountains are volcanic and don't have strata or fossils.
Another priceless "argument" from that blog:
The Fantasy of Evolution writes:
Make everyone pass a test of some sort too. Basic evolution as well as basic credationist arguments. Otherwise that debate is laughable.
He thinks that deposition of fossils in mountains is "basic evolution"!
I answered him as follows :
Sorry, Faith G, I don’t respond to obviously mentally disturbed people on blogs such as those. I prefer communicating with people on moderated forums, where everything that is written can be judged by sane people.
I hope he brings his "arguments" here so that we can comment on them!
Sorry, got another e-mail from Faith G where she (very adament about this) threatens to keep on commenting on her blog about us! Be warned. She is going to overturn every natural science in the world on her blog!
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Pressie
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Message 258 of 343 (636125)
10-04-2011 6:35 AM


I need answers to questions!
Faith G
Am I allowed to publish your e-mails to me here?
I can't do it without your permission. Your "arguments" really are very sad and complete porkies.
Yet, you pretend that the questions I asked here were straw men. Questions can't be straw men. Answers can be.
Are you afraid of being proven wrong?
Faith G said that we can't. Sorry.
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Message 259 of 343 (636127)
10-04-2011 7:39 AM
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10-04-2011 6:35 AM


Re: I need answers to questions!
Can't you debate Faith at her blog?
Tell her Percy says hi and sends her fond wishes.
--Percy

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Pressie
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Message 260 of 343 (636128)
10-04-2011 8:05 AM
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10-04-2011 7:39 AM


Re: I need answers to questions!
I don't normally engage in debates with people who belong in mental institutions. (Sorry, I refer to YEC's and ID's now).
Let's put it another way: it's futile to engage in a debate with crazy people. I try not to do it, although we do get some of them at EvC.
Is she banned here? If she is, I didn't know.
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Message 261 of 343 (636136)
10-04-2011 9:39 AM
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10-04-2011 8:05 AM


Re: I need answers to questions!
Faith is always welcome over at the world wide word.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 262 of 343 (636149)
10-04-2011 11:08 AM
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10-04-2011 3:43 AM


fyi some information re Faith etc
Hi Pressie
You can also post her comments to
Fundies Say the Darndest Things
And let her know you are doing it ... just to be honest and above board (rather than behind her back)
Oh, and say HI for me too.
See Fundies Say the Darndest Things - RationalWiki for commentary
Some of those comments are priceless and some are just scary.
Enjoy.
Edited by Zen Deist, : hi

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Message 263 of 343 (636168)
10-04-2011 12:33 PM
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10-04-2011 6:35 AM


Re: I need answers to questions!
ABE
Oops I misread. You mentioned her emails sorry not her blog posts. You do need her permission for that sorry.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 264 of 343 (636203)
10-04-2011 5:05 PM
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10-04-2011 1:41 AM


A bit confused...
Pandion writes:
And yet, sea shells are found on all of the peaks that tower 4 and 5 miles above sea level while none are found in the smaller ranges of the western United States. How do creationists explain this?
I'm a bit confused by this statement. Can you elaborate?
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Message 265 of 343 (636492)
10-06-2011 10:52 PM
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10-04-2011 5:05 PM


Re: A bit confused...
I speculate the point is that seashells are not found on low mountains here and there and so if creationists are saying that seashells on the great mountains are from the flood and that from the chaos of water moving then WHY not the small mts.?
Fair enough.
the answer would be either these low mts were not in a area that got covered by water carrying sea shells.
Another answer , mine, would be that these low mts only appeared after the flood as a part of the great upheavel that occured a few centuries after the flood.
The whole backbone of North america exploded and crumpled and from this came many of the mts there.
So no seashells on top.

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Message 266 of 343 (636494)
10-06-2011 10:58 PM
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10-06-2011 10:52 PM


Re: A bit confused...
Robert Byers writes:
Another answer , mine, would be that these low mts only appeared after the flood as a part of the great upheavel that occured a few centuries after the flood.
The whole backbone of North america exploded and crumpled and from this came many of the mts there.
Can you post a link to further information on this, please?

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Message 267 of 343 (636495)
10-06-2011 11:03 PM
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10-06-2011 10:52 PM


Re: A bit confused... [an understatement]
Another answer , mine, would be that these low mts only appeared after the flood as a part of the great upheavel that occured a few centuries after the flood.
The whole backbone of North america exploded and crumpled and from this came many of the mts there.
And all of this happened sometime in the last 4,300 years or so?
Who don't the geologists, archaeologists and other -ologists know about this?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 268 of 343 (636507)
10-07-2011 1:40 AM
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10-06-2011 11:03 PM


Re: A bit confused... [an understatement]
There are plenty of things that our cretin counterparts say that leave me breathless but this "upheaval" has got to be the utmost.
It is just so frustratingly incomprehensible when they are presented with the calculations of the amount of energy needed to raise the mountains and move the tectonic plates and they just shrug their shoulders - God did it anyway.
It is presumably quite OK to disagree on the ethical issues or on morality - whether it is based on the Bible on Gilgamesh or the Quran but to blatantly oppose the calculations....I guess the only way a religion stays intact is lying.

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Message 269 of 343 (636534)
10-07-2011 8:38 AM
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10-06-2011 10:52 PM


Moderator On Duty
Hi Robert,
In my recent posts I have only peripherally touched on the topic, so I will begin moderating this thread.
Robert Byers writes:
I speculate...
The idea here is to present positions that are supported by evidence, not speculations. We know you can describe scenarios consistent with Biblical accounts. Everyone concedes that you are able to do this. It is not in dispute.
What is being asked in this thread, and also in the recently closed Potential Evidence for a Global Flood thread, is whether there is any evidence that what you describe is what actually happened. Please present the evidence.

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Message 270 of 343 (636547)
10-07-2011 12:28 PM
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10-06-2011 10:52 PM


Re: A bit confused...
RB writes:
Another answer , mine, would be that these low mts only appeared after the flood as a part of the great upheavel that occured a few centuries after the flood.
Do you have evidence that limestone, which has specific depositional requirements, can form under catastrophic upheaval and massive flooding conditions? Because much of the world's fossils occur in limestones, which can be found anywhere in the world from the highest mountains to the lowest valleys.
The whole backbone of North america exploded and crumpled and from this came many of the mts there.
So no seashells on top.
Are you suggesting that the American Cordillera has no fossils? While not exceedingly common, fossils do exist (See below: 1 - 4). Where they may not exist are in intrusive igneous rocks, which of course never have fossils. And igneous plutons and batholiths form the core of much of the Sierra Nevada.
Please provide physical evidence that the American Cordillera "exploded?"
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1. Early Cambrian Ediacaran-Type Fossils from California (PDF document)
2. Significance of "Tethyan" Fossils in the American Cordillera (PDF document)
3. Localities of the Cambrian: The White-Inyo Mountains
4. Rare Fallotaspis Trilobite from Inyo-White Mountains

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