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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Caff writes: For starters, they claim that you don't start to dream until the age of about 5 or 6, and thus animals with less detailed cognitive worlds probably don't dream. My anecdotal reaction to this is that it is wrong. I swear I had dreams as a little kid. More pertinently, I am sure that my son (now 5) has been dreaming for years. I have heard him talk in his sleep, I know he has woken up and been in a terrible state after night terrors and he even once asked me (well over a year ago) Why do I see stories when I am asleep?. I am also sure that dogs dream based on seeing them almost act out chasing things whilst asleep and waking themselves up barking (A just awoken confused mutt is quite a funny sight)
Caff writes: I'll have more of a read later. Likewise.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Larni writes: But in many cases one is less vulnerable because of staying still and quiet in times when ones vision is inappropriate for the light conditions. Fair point. Which might explain why grazers in wide open plains sleep so little?
Larni writes: To give a real world example: when all those people were blinded by that meteoric shower which were the ones who got killed by Triffids, the ones who stayed in thier homes or the ones that flailed around in the street? Well I like your idea of "real world". And I never did understand those pesky triffids were able to sense things.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I saw a tv program about sleep and dreaming last month and some of the researchers suggested that dreams are a way for our brain to run simulations. So that if and when confronted with some horrifc or stressful event whilst awake there is a mechanism in place to deal with it. Its a untested hypothesis/ speculation.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I've just seen your vid.
Straggler above writes: I am also sure that dogs dream based on seeing them almost act out chasing things whilst asleep and waking themselves up barking (A just awoken confused mutt is quite a funny sight) A case in point.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
That fits in perfectly with my own experience. Almost all of my most vivid dreams these days involve terrible things happening to my kids as a result of me not doing something. From leaving the baby seat on top of the car and then driving off with it still on the roof to losing them at crowded festivals via more surreal events involving random holes in the road and all sorts of strange nutjobbery.
This could be seen as either preparing me for such an event or making me be even more aware of certain situations (e.g. large crowds) in which such things could happen.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Back in the day two of my buds where staying over at my place and were sleeping in the same bed: during the night (in his sleep) one of them started sleep strangling the other. It was lucky that the beater was much smaller than the beatee.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong. Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Not sure about rehersal but PTSD patients display recurrent, vivid dreams replaying their experiences.
They almost always have not emotionally processed their experiences and so these keep replaying in dreams. Part of cognitive therapy is the support the patient to 'process' these memories and when this is done properly then dreams fade.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong. Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.
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frako Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
lol last weak i sleepwalked, never happened to me before, i was stoned out of my mind and passed out on the couch at 4 in the morning my girlfriend woke up and herd the tv was on she went to the living room and when she turned off the tv i stood up and started to talk about how im sorry i am sleeping in this house (the house is mine lol) and how i thought she went away and i came in. I dunno what i was dreaming about i rearely remember my dreams i dont even recall this scenario my girl told me the next morning lol
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand Jesus was a dead jew on a stick nothing more
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Similar thing happened to me but I was not caned but hammered. I came home from a rare night out (none of this I recall) and pissed in the cat's tree house (conveniently cock height) and total my lap top screen with my head.
The moral? We can't generalise behaviour when psycho active drugs are involved. As an aside, my wife went fucking mentalThe above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong. Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.
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frako Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
lol at least i was asleep i sleep for at least 2 hrs before my girl tried to turn off tv
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand Jesus was a dead jew on a stick nothing more
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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Interesting. Is the conclusion that the dreams are a necessary part of the 'learning to deal with it' process or a symptom of not having dealt with it that fades once other measures have been taken?
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Good point.
I don't have any data on that. I'll have a look. Abe: intuitively I would suggest they are the brains inelegant attempt to deal with the experiences. Our brains often try to deal is rubbish ways; that's the basic assumption of cbt. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong. Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.
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