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Hi Coyote,You have mentioned many times about massive things that would take place during a flood as one described in the Bible.Just what and why would you expect to find the things you believe the Bible presents to have happened?The Bible states it rained for 40 days. It also states that the fountains of the deep opened up and the waters rose from them.The land mass being in one place and the water rising from all directions (with no rate of the rise of the water given) and coming down in the form of rain (with no explanation of the rate the water was raining at) just what would you expect to find.Since the text does not state what the sea level of the land mass was at that time as it had rose out of the water when the water was gathered into one place, what would you expect to find and how much water would it take to cover the land mass?I know you disagree with what many have presented here that took place during a flood they believe happened in a certain way. But I believe the Bible and I disagree with them also.It seems to me you have created a strawman and continue to argue against that strawman.So could you please explain what the Bible text says that you disagree with?God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : remove extra word falling

Hi Coyote,Thanks for your response. So you are not argueing against what the Bible says but against opinions of other you have read says the Bible says.

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Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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There was one body of water and one land mass.There is no place the land mass is said to be divided until Genesis 10:25, which is after the flood.

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Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

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So God said He was going to bring a flood of waters upon the earth. The earth refered too was the same earth He refered to in Genesis 1:10.

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7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

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7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

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7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

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7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

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7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

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So it rained for fourty days without any rate of rainfall given.The water rose from fountains of the deep with no rate of rise given.There is no mention of the things that have been put forth by the misguided people whose imagination have produce all the things you are argueing about.If you are going to debate what the Bible says you should equipt yourself with what the Bible says and not what someone else says.If you are going to debate what others have said you need to do your debating with them and not debate what they have said. But you are the one debating what they have said.I am and have been trying to point out to you that you are not debating against what the Bible actually says.The reason I have not participated in all the flood threads to any extent is that everyone here has made up their mind what the Bible says according to what someone else has said and all they can do is argue against that strawman.Now if you would really like to discuss and debate what the Bible says maybe we should start a Bible study on what the Bible says about the flood.God Bless,

Hi Pressie, I am argueing what the Bible says not what someone thinks it says.

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Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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The object of the rate of rain is to determine the damage the rain could cause.Since the land mass was in one place only the water above the land mass could fall on the land mass the rest fell in the mass of water.The water was all around the land mass so I assume the fountains of the deep was all around the land mass.

Hi Taq, Well the first thing you would need to do is determine exactly the date that the flood took place. Since the Bible does not give one you have no idea what to look for.Since there is no date given what disagrees with science?Science does believe that all land mass was covered by water at one time don't it due to the fact of what is found in and on the earth?Remember I am argueing what is recorded not what someone thinks is recorded.

Hi Coyote, Who says it was a recent worldwide flood?The Bible gives no dates of the flood of Noah.If you don't know when the flood took place how can you find out what evidence you would find?I just visited the Cayman Islands for a couple of days and was suprised by what I found.In September of 2004 hurricane Ivan paid a visit and dumped from 6 to 20 feet of water on most of Grand Cayman. It was a mess houses, buildings vegetation trees destroyed. I returned in January of 2005 and saw the devastation first hand and then stayed a year and replaced cabinets I had installed over the previous 13 years. When I left in March of 2006 you could still see the devastation all over the Island.But when I returned this past Wednesday the only evidence I could see that was a result of Ivan was a couple of houses that had not been touched since the hurricane struck. Those were houses that were just abandoned as they are owned by citizens of other countries and they have no intention of repairing them, so they will disappear in the near future.When that happens there will be no trace that Ivan was ever there.That is the reason I keep asking you what would you expect to find?God Bless,

Hi Coyote, The tide at the Bay of Fundy rises 50 feet and falls 50 feet every 12 hours and 13 minutes. It don't wash everything away nor does it leave a lot of evidence it has been there.You can find information about it Here.

Hi Nuggin, What evidence does it leave?When the tide comes in the rivers run backwards and the water rises. When the tide goes out the flow is reversed.Very little changes take place from one tide to the other and this has been going on for ages.The water rose and fell only once during the flood of Noah. Where does the Bible say the earth was under a MILE+ of water?It does say the highest hills were covered with 15 cubits of water. Gen. 7:20 Depending on what unit for a cubit is used that ranges from 21.875 feet to 25.75 feet of water over the highest point on the land mass at that time.Since we don't know the elevation of the land mass at that time there is no way of knowing how much water was required to cover the land mass.According to the text there was one land mass and one body of water at the time of the flood of Noah. The land mass did not look like it does today. So the writers wrote from their point of view and knowledge of the earth at the time of their writing.I think I need to go ahead and start a Bible study of exactly what the Bible says about the flood of Noah.I will do that as time premits.God Bless,

Hi Pressie, But the mud flats are there when the tide is in and is still there when the tide is out.They have been there all the time that the tide has rose and fell 50 feet.The water of the flood of Noah rose one time over a period of 40 days and 40 nights and stayed 110 days before it began to return from off the Earth which took another 150 days.So if the water rose over a 40 day period to cover the highest point on the land mass how much did the water have to rise?If the water rose as much as it does in the bay of fundy on each tide over a period of 40 days the water would rise 4.000 feet.How high was the highest point above sea level on the land mass at the time of the flood of Noah?No one knows how high that point was. Guesses can be made and assertions can be made. But the facts are missing.God Bless,

Hi jar, Because you don't even know when that time was.You only have guesses and assertions. No facts.God Bless,

Hi CS, I can find a lot of guesses.I can find a lot of assertions.I can find no facts nailing down when the flood of Noah took place.According to the story of the text the land mass was still in one place and was divided after flood of Noah.That being the case there is no way of knowing the elevation of the land mass at the time of the flood of Noah.God Bless,

Hi rueh, What specified time?The text does not specify a time.There have been many guesses and assertions but no specified time.God Bless,

Hi Coyote, Do you have evidence other than the current rates of movement to show that the land masses have been moving for the past 250 million years?I am making no claims.I am simply pointing out what the text says.How can you have a debate when you keep inserting what you think the text says or what someone has said the text says.You can read the text for yourself and find it does not state what you are argueing against.I have several days of doctor appointments and when I am through I will start a thread where we can examine exactly what the Bible says concerning the land mass and the flood of Noah.God Bless,

Hi Hyroglyphx, It seems odd for me to support IAJ but in this he is correct the text says 'day one' using the Cardinal number which means there was no day before that day. All the rest use the Ordinal numbers.The Hebrew text: יום אחד Hebrew reads from right to left thus the first word יום is day.The second word which is the last word in the sentence אחד is the Cardinal number 'one'Had the author intended for the Ordinal number to be used (first) he would have used the Hebrew word ראשון which means first.Now as to the definition of day which you question.God gives the definition of a day in Genesis 1:5.God called the light period day and He called the darkness night. He then combined the light period that had ended with the eveining in Genesis 1:2 and the dark period that ended with the light period of the morning as day one.He then declared the end of each light period with evening and the end of the dark period at morning as the second day, the third day, the fourth day, the fifth day, the sixth day and the seventh day.Day 2-7 ended with an evening the close of a light period and a morning the close of a dark period.Since that takes place with every rotation of the Earth it makes those days a 24 hour day or thereabouts.That first light period is something else though there is no limit to how long it lasted.Therefore the Earth is just as old as it is as it was created in the beginning.God Bless,

Hi Coyote, I covered the scope of the flood of Noah, in a thread beginning with Message 1, and gave my arguments for a global flood. IAJ and I disagreed for many posts in the thread What the KJV Bible says about the Noah Flood.As far as the date of the flood of Noah, I really have no date. There are many dates mentioned but there is no way of giving an exact date. IF I have to go out on a limb and give a date I would say between 4,000 years ago and 10,000 years ago and that is about as close as I can narrow it down. And my dates may be wrong.So it is possible IAJ is correct on the date but he could also be wrong, if he says it took place 4500 years ago.The text concerning the flood of Noah says the dry land, Earth was covered with water but it does not say when the flood of Noah took place.God Bless,

Hi jar, And if the water was coming from the fountains of the deep at a rate of 20 times the amount of rain fall which way would the water current be flowing?The waters of the Bay of Fundy rise 55 feet in six hours. So if all the water in the sea was rising at that rate with no recession, which way would the water current flow? Wouldn't it flow towards the highest point on the dry land mass? Just a thought.God Bless,