Does the Darwinian theory require modification or replacement?

Yes, that's correct, but everything in the universe is exchanging information with everything else all the time, not just with our senses. Light brings information, whether it strikes a leaf or an eye. Sound brings information, whether it causes vibration in a champagne glass or an eardrum. Fumes bring information, whether they react with curing meat or your nose.Shannon information isn't hard to understand. If you understand binary then you can understand Shannon information. If you needed to transmit one of 4 different digits to someone (0, 1, 2, 3), how many binary bits would it take? If you know the answer to that question then you can understand Shannon information.--Percy

Hi Zi Ko,To have a discussion you have to respond to what people actually say, but you instead used the same paragraph of text as the response to two different people. It answers the questions of neither but just refers us to Shapiro.We were talking about Shannon information. You have throughout this thread been arguing that only intelligence can produce information. I provided examples of non-intelligence creating information, and here is that passage again: If you still think that only intelligence can produce information then describe in your own words your definition of information. You can provide a link to Shapiro as a supporting reference. If the Shapiro link is longer than a single page then you'll need to be specific about where the supporting information is.--Percy

Hi Zi Ko,Thanks for the response, but discussion of information should move to the Information's role in evolution.Should we put it more in the picture? thread. I'm not a participant over there, so since I won't be able to respond to this message there I should say here that you could be right that you've never claimed that only intelligence can produce information. I may have you confused with Shadow.--Percy

That's great. Perhaps you can quote from page 155?--Percy

Years ago I used to discuss the Bible a lot, and one result was that I ended up reading the Bible a lot. Makes sense, right?Creationists come here to discuss evolution but rarely bother learning anything about it. They arrive with a caricature of evolution already constructed within their mind and then spend all their discussion time working hard to avoid learning what evolution actually says.I don't think we ever discussed the topic in this thread. We spent all our time correcting mistaken notions about nearly everything, from evolution to the modern synthesis to information theory.--Percy