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Author Topic:   My HUGE problem with creationist thinking (re: Which version of creationism)
bluescat48
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Message 104 of 336 (619951)
06-13-2011 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Mazzy
06-12-2011 11:52 PM


For me it does not matter which creation model is correct, as long as none of my ancestors were apes.

Very interesting, considering humans are apes. So what are your ancestors, rocks?


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 107 of 336 (620060)
06-14-2011 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Mazzy
06-13-2011 11:14 PM


So really, there is no problem for me here. Where I have a problem is theory being taught as fact, which I believe is a misleading representation of the status quo.

What theory is being taught as fact?


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 127 of 336 (635395)
09-29-2011 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by DubyaDeeEm
09-11-2011 5:47 PM


Re: Evolved Warts
You mentioned post 106 by Mazzy and he/she never answered my question. Since you seem to be of the same ideology, then maybe you can answer it.

Me writes:

What theory is being taught as fact?

Edited by bluescat48, : typ


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 222 of 336 (637586)
10-16-2011 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by IamJoseph
10-16-2011 9:24 PM


Re: Evolved Warts
and 'swarms' are nano life forms which cannot be seen by the naked eye.

Where does it say that swarms are life that cannot be seen by naked eyes? Winged fowls did not exist until after the most primitive mammals existed. The first winged creatures were ancestors of current dragonflies & mayflies in the carboniferous. Winged fowls in the Jurassic. Mammals from the Triassic. The order is wrong.
As for the Temple, it was not destroyed by Babylon, but by the Chaldeans who made their capital at Babylon, after conquering the Assyrians who had previously conquered the Babylonians.

Edited by bluescat48, : typo


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 241 of 336 (637648)
10-17-2011 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by IamJoseph
10-17-2011 1:55 AM


Re: Evolved Warts
Swarms [small] of swarms [extremely small].

You are reading into this. The storytellers who concocted the Genesis story, knew nothing of life that was too small to see. The idea of swarm was such things as locusts which were a problem to the primitive humans. Swarm doesn't mean small, it means a large number of like things. Humans can form a swarm.

Yes; the Chaldeans [Assyrians] were vasal states of Babylon;

1) The Chaldeans were not Assyrians, they conquered the Assyrians.
2) they were not vassals of Babylon, they just made their capital at Babylon. The Babylonians had not been in power for nearly 1000 years before the destruction of the temple.


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bluescat48
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Message 256 of 336 (637770)
10-17-2011 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by IamJoseph
10-17-2011 5:26 PM


Re: Evolved Warts
They knew how to write in advanced alphabetical books - show us another equivalence of people who knew nothing - or check the Nobels listing?

These stories were not written down until centuries later. There was no alphabets in the 5th millinium BCE.

Also, locusts are winged creatures - these were yet not emerged till airborne life emerged. Nor can this be related to 'creepy crawly creatures.

The storytellers knew of locusts. Locusts and other winged creatures appeared in the carboniferous, millions of years before the storytellers. is a large conglomeration of a particular thing and a swarm of swarms ids simply a swarm of swarms of other things.

As I said before, the war which destroyed the temple was by Babylon and its allies; the exile was to Babylon:

What allies? The destroyer of the Temple was the Chaldean Empire, who had overthrown the Assyrians. The Babylonians hadn't been in power for nearly 1000 years prior to the destruction of the temple.

Rakefet writes:

The racial origin of the Chaldeans, and the original source of their secret knowledge, is to be found in Central Asia, for there was a long period of time, not so many scores of thousands of years ago, when all this region enjoyed a genial climate and was covered with populous cities and vast tracts of intensely cultivated soil; and was inhabited by a people not inferior to ourselves today, and indeed in some respects superior in knowledge (cf SOPh 16-25).

Rakefet:Thesophical Society in Pasadena www.theosociety.org
Thesophical Society in Israel www.theospphia.co.il


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 268 of 336 (637794)
10-18-2011 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by IamJoseph
10-18-2011 12:24 AM


Life started in water; next up is air borne life. This is correct, nor is the premise of making such a claim anything less than astounding for its time.

Life started in the water, yes, then land life, Arachnids (spiders & scorpions) & Amphibians, then the first airborne, flying insects, the ancestors of the modern day Dragonflies, Mayflies, locusts & Cockroaches. One finds Arachnid & Amphibian fossils in Devonian layers whereas there are no winged creatures found below the Carboniferous.

There was no alphabetical writings then, but I believe the pyramids are older than 5000 years and these contain earlier writing modes.

Writing modes, yes, hieroglyphics and 5000 years would place them in 4th to 3rd Millenia BCE.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 270 of 336 (637796)
10-18-2011 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by IamJoseph
10-17-2011 11:22 PM


Re: Evolved Warts
The Empire at Babylon, in 586BCE, was not Babylonian. Babylonians were the Mesopotamian people who occupied that area from ~the latter part of the 3rd Millemim BCE to the middle of the 2d millenium BCE. They were wiped out or absorbed into the Assyrian empire which had overthrown the Babylonians. The Assyrians took control of the Northern Kingdom (Israel) and made the Southern Kingdom (Judah) pay tribute ~722BCE. The Chaldeans overthrew tw the Assyrians in the 6th Century BCE and took control of Judah ~586BCE. They are the ones who destroyed the Temple and Took the leaders of Judah to Babylon. The Empire at Babylon in the 6th Century BCE was not Babylonian, as I have stated. Cyrus with his Persian/Median Army overthrew the Chaldeans and allowed the people of Judah to return and rebuild the temple. Cyrus equated his God, Marduk with the Judaic God, Yahweh.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 278 of 336 (637817)
10-18-2011 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by IamJoseph
10-18-2011 2:27 AM


Re: Evolved Warts
Read the link to Chaldean at the site you listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonians
Section 2.2


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 279 of 336 (637818)
10-18-2011 6:16 AM
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10-18-2011 3:17 AM


5. vegetation.
6. Water life.
7. Airborne life
8. Land based life.
9. Speech endowed humans

One problem is that the term vegetation is vague. Water borne vegetation yes, then sea animals, then land vegetation, then land life, then airborne insects, then reptiles, land mammals, birds, sea mammals. The problem is the storytellers didn't know the relationships of the various types of life, thus their order is wrong.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 292 of 336 (637919)
10-18-2011 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by IamJoseph
10-18-2011 9:26 AM


Land vegetation didn't appear until the Devonian or the end of the Silurian, by that time Agnathan & Placoderm fish existed as did a host of invertebrates.Check out a geological time scale. The area where fossils are found agree with it not with Genesis.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 297 of 336 (637932)
10-18-2011 9:11 PM
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10-18-2011 7:55 PM


What did they do for food?

Algae, and cyanobacteria, at the bottom of the food chain, higher up the larger species, Fish, Arthropods & mollusks ate smaller creatures or algae. What would they need land vegetation for? None of these creatures were on land.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 298 of 336 (637933)
10-18-2011 9:13 PM
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10-18-2011 8:13 PM


Natural abiogenesis as opposed to creation(supernatural abiogenesis.) Only a hypothesis but has as much evidence as creation.

And by the way why are you comenting on one of my signature quotes in this topic?

Edited by bluescat48, : added line


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 301 of 336 (637938)
10-18-2011 9:23 PM
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10-18-2011 7:51 PM


I am not retracting anything simply pointing out that sea vegetation existed before sea life but that land vegetation came after sea lif e had existed. Your point of Genesis is that land plants exited before sea life, which is wrong.

you writes:

5. vegetation.
6. Water life.

My point was that the term vegetation was vague in that it doesn't separate the water borne flora, algae, from the land based flora shrubs, trees, grass etc. Algae existed long before the land plants and all the animal phyla existed before the land plants. All the animal phyla started in the sea.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 302 of 336 (637940)
10-18-2011 9:27 PM
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10-18-2011 9:17 PM


No it is not a swarm, there is only one hypothesis, a swarm would have to be many hypotheses.

Edited by bluescat48, : typo


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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