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I keep asking and you keep evading the question. What does it mean for a corporation to "do" something?Please be specific.

You know the topic - Something about the current Republican primaries.Adminnemooseus

Could you rephrase that? Are you accusing me of not being able to identify an action a corporation can take, before even asking me? An example: Bank of America donates half a million dollars to the Mitt Romney campaign fund. Shell Oil has an oil rig spill off the coast of Africa. Koch Industries dumping toxic chemicals in Kansas. If that's all their personhood afforded them, there wouldn't be a problem. Which individual person from GM received the bailout money?

A salesmen at the car lot did not build the car.
The guy who built the car did not design the car.
A producer does not write the script. The writer does. So, if I want to sue Ford for make a crappy car, I should sue Murray the Janitor at Ford Headquarters because he gets paid by Ford with the money they made off selling me the car?That doesn't make sense. How is Murray directly responsible for this? You clearly don't understand what "producing" means. So has Murray the Janitor. And Ford reported to the IRS that Murray was paid such and such.

Okay, here's an example.The supreme court has ruled that it is perfectly legal for a corporation to donate unlimited amounts of money to a republican candidate.That is a corporation "doing" something. What it is doing is buying a politician.If it's NOT the one doing it, then the USSC decision makes no sense.

I'm accusing you of ironically reifying corporations in ways that don't make any sense. Ironically, because you claim to be opposed to "corporate personhood." No, you're not answering the question. (I think maybe it's too simple for you to grasp.) But ok, we'll use your example. Bank of America "donates." Well, ok. With what does "Bank of America" hold the pen to sign the check? Please be specific. No individual person at GM received the bailout money. How are you not understanding "discreet units who can own property and delegate agency"? Money was transferred from an account in the name of the US Treasury to an account in the name of General Motors.When you say that a corporation did something, precisely what do you mean? What do you mean by "Koch Industries dumping toxic chemicals in Kansas"? What did the corporation use to lift and open the barrels? Be specific.

Just saw Moose's warning. New topic, perhaps? I don't care either way.

No, you should sue whoever is liable for whatever damages you suffered. You tell me! You're the one who wants to punish him. How did you manage to get the terms of the debate so completely backwards? I don't believe that he's responsible so I don't think he should be punished. Stop for a minute and quit acting like the only way to talk to me is to contradict literally everything I say. That relentless contrarianism never worked for Holmes and he was better at it than you are.

That's not the ruling of Citizens United. That's the effect of the ruling of Citizens United. Walk me through what the "corporation" is doing. When the corporation writes a check to the Republican candidate for office, how does it hold the pen? Be specific.

Yeah I just saw it, too. Start a new thread if you like. I'd like to explore the notion of "corporate personhood", I think it's pretty fuzzy for you (and for pretty much everybody who is on about it.)

I'm not contradicting everything you say and I'm way better at it than Holmes!

They don't actually write a check. They transfer money from one bank account to another electronically.

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Bored of doing real polls, the Pew Research Center has done a word association test instead.The three words most people think of when they hear Rick Perry are: "Texas", "idiot" and "NO". The poll does not record what proportion of people responded with mute, wordless horror.

Instead of playing a never ending bash each other game, I've yet to see an informative description of what either party is all about, and how they differ from each other's politics and agenda. In the big picture, what does a Liberal stand for? What is the agenda of Republicans? I honestly don't have a clue.