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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
There is much confusion about what the Bible says about the flood of Noah.
Genesis 1:9, 10 tells us the water was gathered to one place and dry land appeared which was called earth, or dry land if you prefer. There is no place that is stated that the land was divided prior to the flood of Noah. Genesis 6:7 tells us the LORD was going to destroy all creatures, both man, and beast, including the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air. Genesis 6:8 tells us, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6:13, 14 tells us God told Noah to build an ark and the following verses told him the size of the ark to build. Noah was told who his passengers would be. Chapter 7 tells us that the passengers arrived and were boarded. Genesis 7:11,12 tells us that the fountains of the deep was opened up and the windows of heaven were opened and it began to rain and did so for 40 days and 40 nights. The following verses tells us that the water was upon the earth 150 days before it began to receed, which took another 150 days. Genesis 10:25 tells us that the earth was divided in the days of Peleg. That being the case there would be no worldwide layer of anything left by the flood. In Message 1 iceage said:
quote: I will argue the Bible does not teach the flood transported immobile animals to higher elevations.. In Message 26 Buzsaw states:
quote: I will argue the Bible does not teach tectronic plate collisions took place during the flood. In Message 95 Buzsaw states:
quote: I will argue the Bible does not teach the flood induced tectronic activity Buzsaw proclaims. In Message 22 Taz said:
quote: I will argue there was no violent world wide flood. But that there was a world wide flood.
quote:Source I will argue the Bible does not support the catastrophic global flood described at the site and in their literature, this quote was taken from.
quote:Source I will argue that the geological history of the Earth is not taught in the text to be produced by the flood of Noah. I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does not support any of the above arguments. I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does support a world wide flood. I will also argue that the texts support an extended period of existence in which all the land mass was covered with water other than the flood of Noah in which all life forms died. God Bless,
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2159 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT--You seem to infer that there was only a single land mass at the time of Noah's flood. This begs some questions:
1) roughly how long ago did this flood occur? 2) presumably, the land was divided into continents subsequent to the flood? Do you have a rough timescale for this? 3) how does your sequence and timescale of these events compare to the modern geologic record?
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi kbertsche,
kbertsche writes: ICANT--You seem to infer that there was only a single land mass at the time of Noah's flood. This begs some questions: I am not infering anything. I am stating that according to the text recorded in the Bible in the book of Genesis that the land mass was in one place at the time of the flood.
quote: God called the dry land ארץ. The water was in one place which would require the dry land mass to be in one place. There is no information about the sea level of that land mass or what the highest point was on that land mass. I can find no place the Earth was divided until after the flood. There are those who have claimed it was done during the flood (YEC beliefs.). There is no such support found in the text. If you have some and would like to present it please do. I find information where the ארץ was divided during the days of Peleg which was after the tower of Babel.
quote: The word Earth is translated from the same Hebrew word that the word Earth in Genesis 1:10 and 1:1 was translated from. The word Peleg is from the Hebrew word פלג as is the word divided in Genesis 10:25. The word פלג simply means division. Therefore according to the text the dry land mass as well that existed in Genesis 1:10 was divided in the days of Peleg which was after the tower of Babel. If you disagree then present your argument.
kebertsche writes: 1) roughly how long ago did this flood occur? The text does not say when the flood of Noah took place.
kbertsche writes: 2) presumably, the land was divided into continents subsequent to the flood? Do you have a rough timescale for this? The text does not say when the land mass was divided.
kbertsche writes: 2)3) how does your sequence and timescale of these events compare to the modern geologic record? I really don't know as I have never been able to have a meaningful conversation with anyone about what the timescale of those events would be. Remember I am argueing as to what the text in the Bibles put forth in the OP has recorded in them. If that could be settled then we could get into speculation of how those events took place. Without a foundation there is nothing to build upon. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No. The water being in one place does not require that the land be in one place.
BUT... that also has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Flood myths.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi jar,
jar writes: No. The water being in one place does not require that the land be in one place. Well the text was talking about dry land there was wet land under all the water. But if you had 2 islands protuding out of that body of water you would have two places there was no water. With one island you would have the water in one place and the dry land mass in another place.
jar writes: BUT... that also has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Flood myths. But it has everything to do with the myths that have been put forth in all the flood threads I have read, here at EvC. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Hi ICANT,
How do you exclude this interpretation:
quote: The waters gathered together on the Earth's surface covering the entire globe.
quote: Then dry land rose above the water's surface in various places around the globe.
quote: God called the "gathering together of the water" seas. That's seas, not sea, as in more than one sea. --Percy
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I really don't know as I have never been able to have a meaningful conversation with anyone about what the timescale of those events would be. We can have one here, then. Am I correct in saying that Genesis claims that there were humans at the time of the big flood, when all the land of the planet was in one place? We have some pretty solid clues as to timescales if that is so.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Again, what you say is simply false.
The text says that all the water was gathered together. There could be an unlimited number of islands or land masses. And again, Genesis 1 has nothing to do with the Flood myths, it is a whole different story written at a whole different time by a whole different culture to serve entirely different purposes and has NOTHING to do with the flood myths.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: The waters gathered together on the Earth's surface covering the entire globe. The waters did not have to gather together on the Earth's surface to cover the entire Earth.
quote: According to the text the water already covered the face of the Earth as the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters that covered the Earth.
quote: ויאמר and he is sayingאלהים Elohim יקו collect המים the waters מתחת from under חשמים the heavens אל to מקום place אחד one ותראה and seen היבשה the dry land ויהי and it became כז so The land mass appeared because the water was gathered into one place revealing the dry land.
Percy writes: God called the "gathering together of the water" seas. That's seas, not sea, as in more than one sea. ימים is a singular masculine verb meaning sea. It is not plural but has been translated plural many times as mankind can not think of the earth with one sea so it had to be seas. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Coragyps,
Coragyps writes: We can have one here, then. Am I correct in saying that Genesis claims that there were humans at the time of the big flood, The text of Genesis states there were people on Earth prior to the flood of Noah. It also places man on Earth as the first life form before the Earth was covered with the water we find at Genesis 1:2. So present your argument. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi jar,
jar writes: The text says that all the water was gathered together. There could be an unlimited number of islands or land masses. Does the following text say the water was gathered into one place?
quote: You can check it in the Hebrew in my post to Percy. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Again, that has nothing to do with whether all the land was connected or not.
In addition, Genesis 1 has NOTHING to do with the flood myths, was written hundreds of years after the flood myths and by an entirely different milleu, era, people and tradition.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2159 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
The text does not say when the flood of Noah took place.
So how do you interpret the biblical genealogies which YECs use to argue that these events are recent? Do you think many generations are skipped? Or do you think the numbers are stylized? Or something else?
... The text does not say when the land mass was divided.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi jar,
Does the following text say the water was gathered into one place?
quote: God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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