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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Again, as I have pointed out to you several times now, that has NOTHING to do with the land being one continuous mass.
It really is that simple. AbE: And just in case you also could not read what I wrote: Genesis 1 has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Flood Myths, was written hundreds of years later and by a different culture and tradition. Edited by jar, : Repeat information Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi kbertsche,
kbertsche writes: So how do you interpret the biblical genealogies which YECs use to argue that these events are recent? I don't think I have committed to a time frame yet. Right now I would like to determine if the text says all the land mass was in one place prior to the flood. And that the land mass was still in one place when the flood took place. And that the land mass was divided in the days of Peleg. Lets clear that up before we move on. So why don't you answer the post you are replying to in the post I am replying too. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi jar,
Yes I can read English and Hebrew also. Can you answer a question? All you have to do is say Yes or No. Does the following text say the water was gathered into one place? Yes/No
quote: God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Again, as I have pointed out to you several times now, that has NOTHING to do with the land being one continuous mass.
It really is that simple. AbE: And just in case you also could not read what I wrote: Genesis 1 has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Flood Myths, was written hundreds of years later and by a different culture and tradition.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi jar,
Yes I can read English and Hebrew also. Can you answer a question? All you have to do is say Yes or No. Does the following text say the water was gathered into one place? Yes/No
quote: jar writes: Genesis 1 has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Flood Myths, was written hundreds of years later and by a different culture and tradition. I read it, I just disagree with that assertion. If the land mass was in one place that would require a lot less water to cover it. The land mass would be much smaller than it is today and the sea level could have been much less than it is today. So yes it would have a lot to do with the flood of Noah.
jar writes: Again, as I have pointed out to you several times now, that has NOTHING to do with the land being one continuous mass. Yes you have asserted that several times already. So why don't you present your argumentation that there can be thousands of islands and the Aral Sea, Caspian Sea, Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee, Great Salt Lake, and the Salton Sea all of which are not connected to any ocean but all the water is still in one place according to you. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Stop misrepresenting what I say.
As I have pointed out to you several times now, that has NOTHING to do with the land being one continuous mass. It really is that simple. Genesis 1 has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Flood Myths, was written hundreds of years later and by a different culture and tradition. And I am not Alice; I do not go down Rabbit Holes no matter how attractive.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Absolutely. Note that this is a pristine, technical writings - every word is important and impacting; nothing is superfluous; nothing is negatble. The fulcrum opening verse exposes this.
quote: Consider: SAID TO NOAHThe address was not to the world. If it was referred to all mankind, a warning would be given to all mankind - not just to Noah. Note that the term 'THIS GENERATION' refers only to the people in Noah's vicinity, namelt THIS region; THIS people. COME THOU AND ALL THY HOUSEOnly Noah's household; THY HOUSE refers only to Noah's possessions and his domestic animals. quote: Note, no non-domestic animals are included - not a oner - no snakes, bears, crocodiles, tigers! Note the term 'ALL THE EARTH' does not refer to the whole world but only the region in Noah's immediate surrounds and what he was able to do. Proof:
quote: The term 'DID' [past tense] cannot possibly refer to the entire world; Noah did NOT collect ALL the animals of the earth. That the animals 'CAME' to Noah signifies these were domestic animals which knew their master. Lions and snakes do not do such; they would have to be rounded up for eons if this was meant. Note also:
quote: Only Noah, his family and the animals referred to previously [no wild animals; domesticated owned animals are only listed]. Obviously, all the earth's animals could not fit into the dimensions of the boat - the reason the dimensions were specified.
quote:Do the math. Seven days is only supportive of a regional flood, listed here as 'THE EARTH'; read, earth here does not refer to the whole world! quote: Here, WINDOWS OF HEAVEN refers to rain, exactly as it would rain in your hometown when the windows of heaven opens.
quote: Much confusion comes from terms such as "and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind " This means nothing more than those creepy things whch are foods for animals or what some such ground based life forms are also consumed by humans; Noah's household would obviously have such sustainence foods. 'upon the earth' refers only to the area of Noah's household. It cannot in any wise refer to every insect in the world by the afore clarified verses. Proof is seen in the next verse:
quote: 'AND THEY WENT IN' [past tense; it was done]. Remember the dimensions of the boat? Remember this applied only to Noah's household? Proof that this is the correct interpretation is seen in the next verse:
quote: Clearly, 'ALL FLESH' refers to only those that could fit in the ark; and then 'shut in'. The notion this referred to ALL LIFE [trillions of species and sub-groups] is an obviously wrong reading. Other verses confused:
quote: This refers only to Noah's region, proven by its previous verses:
quote:The waters did not bear up the boat till 'after' forty days; meaning this was not a global flood! Note also:
quote: A cubit is a foot [elbow to fingers]. This says the mountains were small hills and mounds only. It must also be understood the writings describe how it appeared to the people of Noah's region, in which time none ventured outside of their towns and villages all their lives. The writings is extremely authentic; the people would see a forty day rain and its waters as covering all 'their' world. Tasmania and New York did not exist at this time.
quote: The term 'SWARMETH' refers to those animals not of Noah's possessions, which are not consumable. The term 'UPON THE EARTH' is numerously before referred to as the earth in Noah's region only.
quote: Note now 'ON THE GROUND' is used to describe 'EVERY LIVING SUBSTANCE', and qualified as what 'THE EARTH' refers to. Note that the fish were uneffected - namely this was NOT about ALL LIVING CREATURES ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2159 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
I don't think I have committed to a time frame yet.
I'd say that your interpretation is plausible, but I think it may press the text a bit too far. Right now I would like to determine if the text says all the land mass was in one place prior to the flood. And that the land mass was still in one place when the flood took place. And that the land mass was divided in the days of Peleg. Lets clear that up before we move on. Yes, the text says that God gathered the waters together in one place (maqom echad). But the main point here does not seem to be one vs. many. Rather, the main point is that God controlled and tamed the chaos. Yes, the text says that the land was divided in the days of Peleg. But I think it's a stretch to interpret this as the division of the continents. It could just as well be a large earthquake.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Your proof of this?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course, but it is also irrelevant to this topic.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
Jar and ICANT,
Please stop repeating yourselves. Move the discussion forward please. ThanksAdminPD
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Is a 3,500 year Egyptian stelle made of stone which describes a WAR with ISRAEL irrelevant - or is it of the utmost relevant to the book of Exodus - which of course was written by numerous people later on!?
A lie by omission is - surprise, surprise - a lie.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
99% of Archeological determinations are made by 'NAMES' - not by relics or C14.
The name, "NOAH' has been determined as authentic of its period. So have all these - in fact these names never appeared before in any recording of historical archives, displaying the power of the Hebrew writings' unequalled and unmatched authenticity:
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
99% of Archeological determinations are made by 'NAMES' - not by relics or C14. Sorry to disagree, but that is not true. It certainly isn't true for standard archaeology (which I practice), and it isn't even true for classical archaeology. But if you have evidence to the contrary, you might present it in a new thread. That seems off-topic in this thread.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I can't agree with your interpretation of the text about Peleg:
25Two sons were born to Eber; the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. 26Joktan became the father of Almodad and Sheleph and Hazarmaveth and Jerah 27and Hadoram and Uzal and Diklah 28and Obal and Abimael and Sheba 29and Ophir and Havilah and Jobab; all these were the sons of Joktan. 30Now their settlement extended from Mesha as you go toward Sephar, the hill country of the east. 31These are the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, according to their nations. 32These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were separated on the earth after the flood. There then immediately follows the story of the tower of Babel (Gen. 11:1-9) which I take to be the explanation of the separation in Gen. 10:32 and of the different languages in Gen. 10:31, because otherwise the whole thing wouldn't make any sense. So there seems to be an obvious intepretation of what it means to say that "the earth was divided", i.e. that "the nations were separated on the earth after the flood", which should be preferred because it is obvious. Why would anyone think of anything else --- and why would anyone write like that unless they meant it to be interpreted that way? Consider also that according to your interpretation what is being referred to would be one of the most momentous, dramatic, and cataclysmic events in the whole history of the world --- and yet you suppose that it is mentioned only in passing as an explanation of how Peleg got his name. It's as though the Bible were to say: "And Noah got his name because in his time there was much rain" or "Adam was so called because of the incident with the tree" and left us to infer the rest of the story from that. Whereas according to my interpretation the explanation of Peleg's name referred to an almost equally dramatic event which is explained. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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