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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Theodoric writes:
The evidence that can be presented here is usually websites. Chuck77 writes: Did you mention my name? Hmmm. I wonder if the members here feel insulted by that. I know I would. Moose, Dr A, Coyote, Pressie, roxrkool... Why would I be insulted by that? The evidence that can be presented here usually is on websites. It's a fact. It's also very limited. That's because scientific research, peer-review and publication is normally (read virtually every time) communicated in articles that don't appear on websites. That's also why creationists usually don't have a clue what happens in the scientific community. If you want evidence, try peer-reviewed scientific literature. Not websites. For geology, try the peer-reviewed scientific journal called the South African Jornal of Geology, http://sajg.geoscienceworld.org/misc/about.dtl. That's science. It doesn't appear on websites. It is distributed, bought and read by peers who know enough about the subject, who are qualified and can critique the work meaningfully and sufficiently. That's how scientific concensus is obtained. South African Journal of geology writes: The South African Journal of Geology (SAJG) is the peer-reviewed journal of the Geological Society of South Africa (GSSA). The SAJG was first published by the GSSA in 1895 as the Transactions of the Geological Society of South Africa, and then as the SAJG beginning in 1987 (vol. 87). The SAJG publishes scientific papers, notes, and discussions in the broadly defined fields of geoscience that are related to the geology of Africa. Contributions relevant to supercontinental entities such as Pangaea and Gondwana are also welcome as are topical studies on any geoscience-related discipline. Production, publication, and distribution of the South African Journal of Geology (SAJG) are managed by the Geological Society of South Africa (GSSA). The SAJG is indexed/abstracted in a number of reference works, including CAB International, Cambridge Scientific Abstracts, Chemical Abstracts, Geo Abstracts, IBZ, IBR, Mineralogical Abstracts, Current Contents, Research Alert, and Scisearch. For more information about the South African Journal of Geology, visit the About SAJG webpage, or visit GSSA Home for more information about the Society. If you want something on pseudeo-science, try the creationists website sources. They're always and mostly exclusively on the internet and in churches, and as has been showed to you; they alwys tell porkies. Always. They pretend to be "scientific", while they are anti-science. They pretend to be "scientific": they're not. They pretend to be peer-reviewed: they're not. They tell porkies. That's it. In scientific literature, porkies are pointed out. Quickly. Not to be repeated. On the internet, porkies are repeated again and again. That's why creationists flourish on the internet. That's also why porkies are all creationists have. They've got nothing else. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : Added a few sentences Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This is one thing I would like to know from creationists: why do we find sea shells both "on top" and in some mountains, but no sea shells either "on top" or within other mountains?
Did the "global flood" miss those mountains with no sea shells? How does a global flood explain all those "shell-free" mountains? Just missed by the "flood"?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Never seen any creationist anywhere not ignoring a question like this.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Ha, wait, I got a reply in my e-mail from someone called Faith G. He referred me to this blogspot The Fantasy of Evolution: blah de blah blah blah EvC blah de blah. He calls my questions "silly".
From that blogspot I get the following "answer":
The Fantasy of Evolution writes: This guy is a SYE-UN-TIST, geewhilikers!Hey, the answer is A FLOOD DOESN'T HAVE AN AGENDA, IF THERE ARE NO SEA SHELLS TO BE PICKED UP IN A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD IT CAN'T DEPOSIT THEM WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE ENDED UP IN A MOUNTAIN. ALSO, some mountains are volcanic and don't have strata or fossils. Another priceless "argument" from that blog:
The Fantasy of Evolution writes: He thinks that deposition of fossils in mountains is "basic evolution"! Make everyone pass a test of some sort too. Basic evolution as well as basic credationist arguments. Otherwise that debate is laughable. I answered him as follows :
Sorry, Faith G, I don’t respond to obviously mentally disturbed people on blogs such as those. I prefer communicating with people on moderated forums, where everything that is written can be judged by sane people. I hope he brings his "arguments" here so that we can comment on them! Sorry, got another e-mail from Faith G where she (very adament about this) threatens to keep on commenting on her blog about us! Be warned. She is going to overturn every natural science in the world on her blog! Edited by Pressie, : Added the priceless argument sentence Edited by Pressie, : Added last sentence Edited by Pressie, : Changed a few words
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith G
Am I allowed to publish your e-mails to me here? I can't do it without your permission. Your "arguments" really are very sad and complete porkies. Yet, you pretend that the questions I asked here were straw men. Questions can't be straw men. Answers can be. Are you afraid of being proven wrong? Faith G said that we can't. Sorry. Edited by Pressie, : Edited a few sentences Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I don't normally engage in debates with people who belong in mental institutions. (Sorry, I refer to YEC's and ID's now).
Let's put it another way: it's futile to engage in a debate with crazy people. I try not to do it, although we do get some of them at EvC. Is she banned here? If she is, I didn't know. Edited by Pressie, : Added a sentence
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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The way writes: Obviously you're not a geologist, then. Flood geology is not geology, it's wishful thinking. No science involved in "flood geology". Just an old book. I have been reading this thread as flood geology is fascinating for me,...TheWay writes: It's easy to state. Evidence is what counts. Any empiracal evidence for a global flood a few thousand years ago? Without evidence it doesn't exist, like the tooth mouse. ...and it seems that what hasn't been brought up is that the flood doctrine usually states that mountains were formed after the flood.TheWay writes: No, as there's no empirical evidence for such a flood a few thousand years ago. Do you think that all those thousands of experts around the world haven't investigated? Wouldn't this account for the seashells ...TheWay writes: Luckily we know what deposits laid down by water look like. Studies of those rocks do count. We don't need analogies. Just facts. ...and wouldn't the water analogy....TheWay writes: Do you think that all those thousands of geologists all over the world don't know what a formation deposited by a flood (big, intermediate, small, local, local, regional, continental, hemispherical, global) would look like? What is a logical falacy is if creationists try to tell you that a pyroclastic deposition was "deposited by a global flood"!
.. be some form of logical fallacy as it doesn't really pertain to diluvial geology?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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The GPS is amazing! It is fantastic when I do cartography. It is accurate to about 10 metres, just as claimed on the box my device was sold in. Just read the instructions. Easy. The GPS is probably the second best thing the US military has ever provided the whole world! The internet is number 1. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
...if the k-t line is the flood line If pigs could fly then the moon would be made of fairy dust.Any evidence that the KT line is the flood line? Empirical evidence such as rock deposits? We do have empirical evidence that the KT line is not the flood line, you know, as we have rocks from the KT- boundary that certainly are not food deposits.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
The k-t line issue is about WHY this creationist says its the flood line. What that creationist says is not important. Empirical evidence is.
.. not why it is evidence for a flood. Then why are you participating in this thread? The heading in the OP reads: Seashells on top of mountains.
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