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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi CTD,
Please keep your discussion focused on the topic of the thread (seashells on mountain tops) instead of on accusations of chicanery and distortion. If you have a complaint about how others are debating then please take it to the moderation thread (General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 13.0) so that moderators may take care of it.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
One of the reasons that religious arguments are discouraged in the science threads is because they often represent a single answer that can be applied to any question. Whenever someone exhibits a preference for this type of answer we usually try to encourage them to take it to a thread devoted to discussing it.
There's no problem with beginning a rebuttal with something like, "According to the Biblical record," as long as it is followed at some point by the evidence supporting the accuracy of the Biblical account. If no evidence is offered then there is nothing to rebut but the Bible, and the science threads are for scientific discussions, not religious ones.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
This thread, the Seashells on tops of mountains. thread, resides in the [forum=-7] forum, which is one of the science forums. Regardless of the source of any idea, whether it be the Bible, a scientist, a dream, science requires one to say, "I must check if my idea is correct by gathering and examining evidence from the real world."
In other words, science threads are all about evidence, not declarations of belief.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Robert,
In my recent posts I have only peripherally touched on the topic, so I will begin moderating this thread.
Robert Byers writes: I speculate... The idea here is to present positions that are supported by evidence, not speculations. We know you can describe scenarios consistent with Biblical accounts. Everyone concedes that you are able to do this. It is not in dispute. What is being asked in this thread, and also in the recently closed Potential Evidence for a Global Flood thread, is whether there is any evidence that what you describe is what actually happened. Please present the evidence.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Robert,
I continue to hope that you'll support your ideas with evidence. For example, it has been mentioned to you that some creationists like yourself believe the K/T line represents the flood, while other creationists believe it is the Cambrian explosion. Backing your position with evidence means describing the evidence that tells you it is the K/T line and not the Cambrian layers that represents the flood.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
As we're approaching 300 posts it's time to think about closing this thread. It's several years old and only recently became active again. I think it would be a good idea to allow the thread to continue another hundred messages or so for the current participants to try to get through some of the current issues. I won't initiate the thread closure process until 400 messages.
Some have focused squarely on the topic of seashells on mountain tops, and I'd like to see those efforts continue. The number of participants has obscured the important points, and it might be a good idea if someone from each side could restate the key issues for their point of view.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Hi Robert,
I'm going to request that you cease participation in this thread until such time as you begin supporting your assertions with evidence. You need evidence for the following:
In the past your responses to my requests for evidence indicated that you do not understand what it means to connect evidence to ideas, and I have been reluctant to carry out any enforcement action when you didn't understand what was being asked of you. But this has happened too many times. It is long past the time when you should have been able to figure out how to support your ideas with evidence. If you post again without evidence I will remove your posting privileges in this forum. Edited by Admin, : Typo.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Robert,
In my Message 312 I said that "If you post again without evidence I will remove your posting privileges in this forum." I'm removing your posting privileges in this forum now.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Morningstar,
It's been over a year since I posted to this thread, so I will take on a moderator role here and suspend you for 24 hours. Please, when you return, post in English.
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