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Jon
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Message 13 of 40 (639216)
10-28-2011 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Rahvin
10-28-2011 7:31 PM


Who Really Needs the 'Correcting'?
Obviously the 'justice' system in the United States is completely broken. And it isn't for any unpreventable reasons either.
It comes solely down to a matter of mentality and motives.
And that is why the situation is so hard to rectify.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 18 of 40 (639247)
10-29-2011 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
10-29-2011 12:15 PM


Re: Responsibilities of mentoring prisoners
And of course that's all well and good for Phat, but what about the kids who are in prison?
Jon

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Jon
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Message 22 of 40 (639268)
10-29-2011 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Rahvin
10-28-2011 7:54 PM


What Should be Done?
Allow me to play the devil's advocate for a little bit here and ask you how you think crimes should be 'punished'?
Do you favor mostly the European system that you talk about in your posts? Do you have anything special that you's add or take away from that system?
Or perhaps you have a revolutionary system of your own?
Jon

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Jon
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Message 24 of 40 (639270)
10-29-2011 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
10-29-2011 7:46 PM


Re: What Should be Done?
The first step would be to decriminalize many current offenses and declare the War on Drugs over.
That will definitely help cut down on the prison population; but what about penalties for things that remain crimes?
Jon
Edited by Jon, : clarity

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Jon
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Message 27 of 40 (639336)
10-30-2011 1:55 PM


TED Video on Social Inequality
In a thread over at FA about 'Occupy London', jar posted a link to a TED video that I found particularly relevant to this discussion on crime. There is a section toward the middle (7:35) especially on topic where Wilkinson discusses crime and imprisonment.
Video Link
Jon
Edited by Jon, : subtitle

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Jon
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Message 37 of 40 (648427)
01-15-2012 5:30 PM


Starting them Young
Ran across this: Creating lifelong customers: the school-to-prison pipeline and the private prison industry.
quote:
Creating Lifelong Customers:
As if the United States did not have a bloated enough prison population — which I think nearly every single American realizes is a painful truth — our school systems are being transformed into yet another way to funnel people into the private prison system.
School systems around the country, but especially Texas, have begun criminalizing what would otherwise be normal childish behavior.
...
In a 2010 report released by the Community Rights Campaign and the Los Angeles Chapter of Dignity in Schools entitled Police in LAUSD Schools: The Need for Accountability and Alternatives it is revealed that reports of police misconduct gathered from over 1,500 student surveys across 18 Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) schools include: excessive force and restraint, verbal abuse, sexual harassment, intimidation, frequent and indiscriminate use of mace and pepper spray on large numbers of students, racial profiling, handcuffs used on students’ whose 'crime' was being late, frequent searches, and more.
Clearly this problem is greater than just one school district or just one state. This is a national problem which does nothing but create more crime by forcing people into becoming lifelong criminals who provide slave labor to private corporations while said corporations rake in absurd profits from taxpayers.
On an even larger level, this trend is representative of a disastrous epidemic: profiting from suffering. This takes shape in the form of war profiteering, prison profiteering, ineffective and/or harmful pharmaceutical/health industry profiteering and more.
What does this mean for the future of our country?
Jon

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Jon
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Message 40 of 40 (648431)
01-15-2012 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Modulous
01-15-2012 6:01 PM


Re: Starting them Young
... it speaks terribly of your present.
Clearly. And I wonder what other countries behave similarly. If other aspects of our torture justice system are any indication, this too likely ranks up there with the measures taken by governments in (other) totalitarian-like states.
This might have already been posted in this thread, but:
Prisoner Population around the World
quote:
WorldMapper on Prisoners:
In 2006 there were an estimated 9.3 million people in prison worldwide at any one time. Half of them were held in just 3 territories: the United States 24%, China 17% and the Russian Federation 9%.
Jon
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