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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Ah. Well, I will wait for Portillo's explanation as I cannot face watching another Kent Hovind video - one was enough. Youtube user Thunderf00t does a smashing job at dissecting a number of Hovinds videos. They are much more fun to watch."Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Panda writes: But even from your summary of Kent's position it is not obvious how a 'flood + ice-age' can rapidly freeze mammoths mid-stride while in deep flood-water. I was trying to leave you some reason to watch the video. Hovind "explains" all of that and more.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
NoNukes writes: I'd need a REALLY good reason to watch another Kent Hovind video... I was trying to leave you some reason to watch the video.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The mammaths are crushed as if something came on top of them and pushed them down. Many are standing, kneeling or looking up. Some still have undigested food in their stomachs. Fresh flowers have been found in there mouths, which they were chewing on before they were fast frozen. Question: if these mammoths were, as you imply, preserved in situ by this supposedly catastrophic flood --- does that mean that all the strata on which they're standing are pre-flood? Or is it your supposition that the flood waters picked up the mammoths, deposited the strata, and then carefully put the mammoths back down in lifelike poses?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Portillio seems to make reference here to Kent Hovind's inane wankering that the Flood was caused by a massive ice meteor (comet?) that made craters on the moon, created the rings of Saturn and froze woolly mammoths standing up, started an ice age, and touched of Noah's flood, among other things. What is it with these people? If we provide them with a naturalistic explanation for something which actually did happen, like the origin of stars or planets or species, they throw a fit about how this is evil atheist godless dogmatic materialism. But for this one thing that didn't happen --- Noah's flood --- they're falling all over themselves to provide a totally naturalistic explanation for it. Hovind with his comet, Henry Morris with his vapor canopy, they've just got to find a way to take God out of the picture. Now if there was actually evidence for a global flood and we came along and offered up naturalistic explanations, they'd throw a fit, wouldn't they. It's almost as if there's a sort of conservation of stupid in creationist arguments: they can explain real things by imaginary causes, or imaginary things by real causes, but they baulk at explaining imaginary things by imaginary causes.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
To our creationist friends...
Why can't you come up with a date for the flood? Common sense would seem to tell us that it occurred during historic times, after the development of writing. Certainly it came after the development, however that occurred, of modern humans. The begats should offer some clues as well. Why then are we getting age estimates back to the Cambrian (>500 million years ago)? Didn't the flood occur during recent, that is historic and human, times? Certainly something under 8,000 or so years?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Why then are we getting age estimates back to the Cambrian (>500 million years ago) Your getting estimates back to the Cambrian, from someone who thinks the Cambrian happened in the last 5 to 10 thousand years. When young Earth creationism is totally wrong in the big picture, what's the point in arguing the dating of a detail in that big picture? To a YEC, 500 million years ago doesn't exist, but the events of the Cambrian still do. Moose
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
It's worse than that. If the Cambrian is the start of the flood and the KT boundary is the end, where the hell do mammoths come into it ?
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4188 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
You guys and girls expect me to answer a million questions. Not to mention the small minority who uses swear words and insults. Im just here to have some friendly debate. Its 2011 and were still talking about Noahs Flood!
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You guys and girls expect me to answer a million questions. Not to mention the small minority who uses swear words and insults. Im just here to have some friendly debate. Its 2011 and were still talking about Noahs Flood! Well, this is the "Geology and the Great Flood" forum.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Portillo writes: Part of debating is addressing the points raised by others. Im just here to have some friendly debate. When you make claims in a debate, it is normal for people to ask you to support those claims or to point out errors/contradictions/etc. Portillo writes: You are free to answer as many or as few questions as you choose. You guys and girls expect me to answer a million questions.If you choose to not answer any questions then that is not debating, but if you do decide to support your claims, then remember that there is no hurry - so you can take your time when replying. Its 2011 and were still talking about Noahs Flood! And people still talk about Jesus too! Edited by Panda, : No reason given.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
And don't forget that people still talk about Siddhrtha Gautama, too!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
To a YEC, 500 million years ago doesn't exist, but the events of the Cambrian still do. Entirely correct. But in the dating threads YECs make no headway in showing modern dating methods are in error. Even the RATE group, spending over a million dollars of creationist money didn't come up with anything that would show that science is wrong. In fact, their data showed science is correct--but in typical creationist fashion they refused to accept their own results.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4188 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: Thanks. Im happy to debate here, but it can be daunting when I receive a stormy reception. And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Portillo, maybe you won't get such a stormy reception if you stopped all the porkies you've used in the past? Ever thought of that alternative? For example, stop using dishonest quote-mines from creationist sources. Porkies are really not endearing you to people who want to have an honest conversation. All the quote-mines you've used so far showed, upon further investigation, to be very misleading quotes or/as well as outright porkies.
How about starting to think for yourself? Your reception won't be hostile once you attempted honest conversations.
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