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Panda Member (Idle past 2949 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Many times British people have said something like: "I vote Labour. I've always voted Labour. My father voted labour and so did his father. This is a Labour voting family." (Labour is the main left wing party) It is as if they think the political party has not changed in 60+ years and so there is no reason to adjust their vote. Attitudes like that are wrong and undermine confidence in democracy. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 703 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Maybe there's something I'm missing about your examples but they all appear to be examples of two-coalition governments. I'm not saying the coalitions don't ever change but there only ever seems to be two of them.
You don't have an example, for instance, of a center-left-plus-center-right coalition defending itself against a major rightwing coalition plus a major leftwing coalition (that aren't themselves allied.) The coalitions seem to be right vs left, and the winner is whoever grabs the centrists.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1394 From: usa Joined: |
I am sure that is true for many people. But I also think it is true that many people vote based on just one issue. For example, abortion. As you probably read from me previously (and repeatedly), slashing of the military budget and adopting universal health care are my main issues. Which usually doesn't leave me with any election choices except fringe candidates. I think education may be the only possible answer, but I am afraid too many americans are willfully ignorant. If people choose to vote against their best economic/health interests, what can be done?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 287 days) Posts: 16112 Joined: |
It is good to compare a voting system against the kind of results you would like it to deliver. Either you're happy with it electing the guy who was the first choice of 30% against the gal who was the first choice of 70% or you're not. If you're not, it's time to think again, more carefully this time.
An absolute veto? If anyone said that? One person? Would anyone get elected under that system? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 1342 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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LITTLE RED HEN
(Courtesy of BigSoph on another website) She asked 99% of her neighbors, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?' 'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen. At last it came time to bake the bread. She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves.' 'Excess profits!' cried the Screeching cow. And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities. Then the Great Leader came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must not be so greedy.' 'But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen. 'Exactly,' said Great Leader. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labour with those who are lazy and idle or who are engaged in community activities.' And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand.' But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free. And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established. Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared...so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for. Then the bread ran out.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 703 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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That's a funny story, Coyote, but here's the real story of the United States:
You can still tell your story about a class of moochers living off the wealth of others by diverting the results of their productivity. You just need to understand that, in the United States, the idle moochers are on Wall Street and the long-suffering producers are occupying the park.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 287 days) Posts: 16112 Joined:
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She asked 99% of her neighbors, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'
'I,' said the cow. 'I,' said the duck. 'I,' said the pig. 'I,' said the goose. 'I shall pay you minimum wage,' said the little red hen, and so she did. The cow and the duck and the pig and the goose planted the wheat, and the wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain. 'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen. At last it came time to bake the bread. So the cow and the duck baked five loaves and the little red hen held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves. We live in a capitalist society, which means that hard work gets rewarded, and I did the hard work of getting you to make the bread and the hard, hard work of sacking you when you became uneconomic. No-one regretted that more than I.' 'I earned the bread,' said the little red hen. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Rahvin Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 3966 Joined:
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Gee, somebody read "Atlas Shrugged" and thought it had something to do with reality...
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jar Member Posts: 33897 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Yes, eventually someone would get elected.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 287 days) Posts: 16112 Joined: |
The really weird thing is that Coyote is in fact an archaeologist. Think about this. While I was earning my way working nightshifts and making bread, I mean actual literal non-metaphorical bread, that stuff that one makes out of flour, water, yeast, and salt --- he was taking taxpayers' money to find out what Babylonians thought about bread during the Late Amorite Period in Mesopotamia. Or something, he's never actually told us what his vital researches have uncovered. If he should ever feel the need to "go Galt", will anyone notice? And if he wants to threaten me with not getting a loaf, then which one of us has actually made bread? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 287 days) Posts: 16112 Joined: |
One person that no-one disagrees with? Where will you find him?
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Modulous Member (Idle past 1340 days) Posts: 7789 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Or alternatively: 'The horse invented a harvesting machine which increases productivity meaning either you all get to do less hard labour, or you get to the same amount of hard work while I lay off the goose meaning I don't have to share as much of MY bread around.'
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jar Member Posts: 33897 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
No, read what I write; one person that everyone can live with. Consensus does not require that the person be a favorite, or even desirable, simply that it is someone who everyone can live with.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Rahvin Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 3966 Joined: |
And since the horse was employed by the hen when he made the invention, the hen pays the horse his normal salary but takes all of the revenue from selling the new harvesting machine herself as if she created it. Because the hen is totally the actual innovator, not the horse.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 740 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
And dont forget increased production with less labor caused the farmer to begin to wonder how much of a labor force did he really need to maintain this profit model. If he could enlist some cheap labor from a neighboring farm he could further limit his cost of doing business locally at the same time expand his own bread stockpiles.
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