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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
HUH?
No, the flood story is not one fable, they are several fables. The Genealogies are made up. The foods are not listed in the flood myths. London is introduced for the first time in its correct geographical location in the fable Historia Regum Britanniae. The genealogies in the fable Historia Regum Britanniae are in error. Sorry Charlie, you don't get the worm.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: No, it is not plausable to be made up. It is the greatet math in recorded history, aligning with millions of numbers, life spans, dates, names and places over a 3000 year period. How do we know the 10 Cmands were given on a saturday - can you answer that fable!?
quote: They are!
quote: Londonium [Bridge in latin], as with Briton, are given latin names by Rome some 2000 years ago. Jerusalem, Hevron, Bet El, Avraham, etc are Hebrew names given for the first time.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
A cubit is aprox a feet, +_ a few cms. Namely, it is the length of elbow to palm. See also the writings of Josephus, who describes the temple fortress measurements, both in Hebrew and Greek, to the Romans and the Greeks, as the biggest monument on the earth, in 'cubits'. The dimensions of the boat given to Noah allows to other reading of who/what entered the arc. Such blatant omissions are telling of the fable pushers. Specifically, it contradicts all notions of a writing being wrong or a fable because all the animals of the earth obviously could not fit in such a boat - oh realy! How observant of you! But the sign in your front and rear vision mirrors say:
WRONG WAY - GO BACK.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
iaj writes: How do we know the 10 Cmands were given on a saturday - can you answer that fable!? We don't that the Ten Commandments were given on a Saturday. In fact it's almost certain that the Ten Commandments were NEVER given, that Moses never existed, that the Exodus is just another myth. It really is that simple. And it still has NOTHING to do with what the King James Authorized Version of the Bible has to say about the flood myths.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
The 10 C's were given on a saturday, by virtue of its calculus proof - something which cannot be improvised from millions of datings and numbers inerspersed of a 3000 year period, with no errors, in the absence of a super pc or record of that entire period. The text reads 'REMEMBER "THIS" DAY AS THE SATURDAY'. The sabbath law, namely a rest one day per week for all workers with pay, was introduced here, including the DAY and the WEEK. It is different in kind and degree from anything anyone can produce as an equavelence.
Moses is today unproven, despite a host of absolutely credible evidences. But till recently, King David and Solomon were regarded as myth by big time scholars and archeologists - they will never recover from their shame, thanks to the ground itself spitting out this proof. Moses never entered Canaan, and the area in question is notoriously controlled by forces opposing, negating, denying and destroying any possible proof. The Hebrew writings are humanity's most credible historical documents, with over 70% already proven: no scripture can match this. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: KJ is a third/forth generation translation with a decidedly European Christian perspective. With all its good intentions, it also makes a Walt Disney effect of the Hebrew: consider that Isaac was a strapping man in his 30's when he was offered for sacrifice by Abraham - not a child in his father's arms as depicted in European paintings. The test was not on Abraham, who fully believed in his actions by proof given him in the matter of a belated son at an old age. This was in fact a world changing account, whereby without Isaac's input in enabling Abraham to pass such a test there would not be three religions today. The Septuagint is much older than the KJ and has no Christian input, [300 BCE], and this too relies on the Hebrew writings. You have no credible options in your claim of Noah without the Hebrew writings. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes: Animals are also listed. Yes animals are listed.
quote: Noah and his wife his sons and their wives went into the ark. Then the clean beasts and the unclean beasts and fowls and of everything that creepeth upon the earth came aboard the ark two by two unto Noah into the ark. So Noah had nothing to do with the animals coming aboard the ark. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: He prepared for them, as directed to him. That the animals came of their own signifies these were domestic animals who knew their keepers; they would have also been privy before humans of an on-coming natural disaster. This story is not about FX miracles, which are listed in a host of other places in the Hebrew writings, greater in kind than any mind can imagine. This is about authenticity of the story in its minaiture details which also aligns with a common natural disaster. The only difference is the weather forecaster in this case is Noah's God. There is no question a natural disaster occured here; no one has disputed this primal factor. The dispute is limited to the size of this disaster only, whether it is a global or regional one. This gives the report a great measure of authetic and credible reporting - at least in the category of a disaster occuring, whether it was global or regional, reported of a period when no such detailed reportings is seen elsewhere. The other factor is about motive. There is no reason to include the whole world when reporting a regional event. There is also no sense in disregarding the report as wholly mythical when all of its content is regarded!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes: Clean refers to kosher, So clean animals refer to the ones the law which was given a long time after the flood specified. OK I will go with that. Here is the list of clean and unclean animals in the law.
quote: I think if you read that list closely you will find every creature that exists on planet Earth today is covered as being either a clean beast or an unclean beast. So when the text says:
quote: All flesh it means all flesh that has the breath of life. Whether they were clean or unclean. The sow (or gilt) and boar made the trip. They were unclean animals. But the law of Moses was not in effect at the time of the flood. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: A fair point. However, Noah would have possessed both clean and unclean animals; some for consumption some not, which is directied by the extra number of consumable clean animals. The text is not in contradiction mode - the provision applies to a regional flood not a global one.
quote: True. Here it must be seen with the difference of a statement by God or the people. E.g. Jacob was married to two sisters, forbidden under the Mosaic law. This is fine where the law was not yet given. But this is not fine if the declaration came from the law giver, in Noah's time as from God. I mean, there is a difference between what is described in the Hebrew writings as authentic details of how a people act and how God does. God cannot be seen to contradict or change his mind; a positive pledge by God cannot be changed even by God himself, based on the premise God is truth - so no, God cannot do anything and remain as God. Whatever people did before the law is one thing; another what God said. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes: Snakes, worms, elephants. These are found in Noah's region. That is not a verse that is animals. This verse covers the snakes, worms, and elephants.
quote: God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes: the provision applies to a regional flood not a global one. So you keep asserting.
quote: Can you tell me where there would be dry land if all the hills under the whole heaven was covered with 15 cubits of water? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes: He prepared for them, as directed to him. That the animals came of their own signifies these were domestic animals who knew their keepers; they would have also been privy before humans of an on-coming natural disaster. Yes Noah built the ark as God had commanded with rooms in it.Yes Noah gathered food as God had commanded him to do. If God told a lion to get on the ark why wouldn't that lion get on the ark. You are limiting God's abilities and power. If He couldn't have all kinds of wild animals get on the ark how will He be able to get the lion to eat straw and lay down by the lamb?
IamJoseph writes: The dispute is limited to the size of this disaster only, whether it is a global or regional one. There is no dispute in the text. According to Genesis 7:19, 20 all the high hills under the whole heaven was covered with 15 cubits of water. That don't leave any dry land anywhere."John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes: A cubit is aprox a feet, +_ a few cms. Namely, it is the length of elbow to palm. The short Hebrew cubit was 17.8 inches.The long Hebrew cubit was 20.67 inches. The Holy cubit was 25.03 inches. Why do you insist on call the ark a boat?
IamJoseph writes: Specifically, it contradicts all notions of a writing being wrong or a fable because all the animals of the earth obviously could not fit in such a boat Why don't you figure up how many cubit feet would be required to put the 10,000 to 17,000 critters on the earth today and I will figure out how big the ark would have to be to house them. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Joseph,
Joseph writes: It means from all the face of the earth in the designated region of Noah. So where does it designate the region of Noah. The dry land of Genesis 1:9, 10 was called earth. If the face of that dry land was covered with water where was the dry land left under the heavens where all land under the heavens was covered with 15 cubits of water. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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