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Bang goes a designer. Energy and matter was never created.

The Law of Conservation of Energy says energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed. Energy and matter can’t be created. No creator involved. Energy and matter are inconsistent with the idea of a creator.

You can always count on a lot of creationists to start quote-mining and telling porkies the moment their arguments are shown to be bunk. Not at all. He’s withholding judgement till the evidence is in. Nothing wrong with that. Not at all. We can only have a valid judgment till one Planck second after the BB. What happened before that nobody knows. Not at all. People thought that the world was created a few thousand years ago. Compte du Buffon calculated the earth to be 75 000 years old in 1779. John Philips (1800-1874) calculated the earth to be around 96 million years old. William Thomson calculated the earth to be 20 to 400 million years old in 1872. Nonsense. Steady State Theory was only devised in 1948, it was a cosmological theory and had nothing to do with the age of the earth. Even Wiki shows that you are not telling the truth. Wiki
Nonsense. The Big Bang Theory did not change what we knew about the age of the earth at all. Geology did. Years before BB theory came about.Edited by Pressie, : Changed a sentence

These quote-mines always amaze me.It consistently reminds me of the Hawking quote from 1988: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason for then we should know the mind of God.Every religious website, book, pamphlet, I mean, everything religious, always used to quote-mine "... -for then we should know the mind of God" All pretended that it proofs Jesus". A lot of them also added: "You think you know more than Hawking?"I can just imagine how many years of webmaster time it must have taken to erase all that after the quote-mine ..God was not needed to create the Universe came around. I noticed that designtheorist ignored both Hawking quotes..I wonder why.

You see, designtheorist, here you loose all respect from everyone else in the whole world who is not in a mental institution.Your statement simply is untrue. You know it, we know it.We are not allowed to use stronger language, but people do think in stronger language in reaction to what you wrote down. In effect it boils down to: there's no use in having a rational conversation with somebody who belongs in some institution for the mentally unstable. Or it's no use trying to have a rational conversation with someone who cannot tell the truth at all. Or this person is so deluded that he will fly into buildings for his belief. Or all of this, combining other unhealthy practices too, being the most likely scenario in your case.

Hermaphrodites. Males and females are not mutually exclusive. Maybe the origin of the universe is way too strange to contemplate. In the meantime evidence is needed.My own deduction is that the Universe always existed in some form or the other (you know, according to the Law designproponent highlighted so eloquently ; energy and matter can't be created nor destroyed). It means that there can't be a creator of energy and matter as this contradicts a fundamental law.Edited by Pressie, : Changed spelling.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

So, there's already more than two ways the Universe could have originated. Three ways now. And we discovered the third way on this thread!. Aren't we clever! I bet you no Physicist or Cosmologist or astro-whatever has ever thought about more than two ways!

But, but,...they're so clever (smart in American)...Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Anyway, let’s get back to the OP. This law works against the idea of a creator. Energy and matter can’t be created. Fullstop. No creator could have created energy and matter then. It simply can’t be created.I just hope that designtheorist realizes that the so-called Laws of nature were created by people to describe phenonema we observe and that these laws can be altered or scrapped? I hope he realizes that it has happened in the past when new evidence contradicted some of these laws?Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.Edited by Pressie, : Added the word "new".

I see designtheorist is trying to change the definition of faith now, for his purposes. Dishonest again. That's all you have.

It's not unpleasantless to tell you that you are telling porkies. The fact is: you don't tell the truth. It's just unpleasant for you to hear, because you certainly are are very dishonest, but most people are too pleasant to tell it to your face. You were caught out. That's it.

It seems as if you don’t know what a personal attack is or what the words personal attack mean. It attacks your person, not your statements. Personal attack Pointing out exactly where you are not telling the truth is not a personal attack. For example: My answer was: Not at all. People thought that the world was created a few thousand years ago. Compte du Buffon calculated the earth to be 75 000 years old in 1779. John Philips (1800-1874) calculated the earth to be around 96 million years old. William Thomson calculated the earth to be 20 to 400 million years old in 1872. You were thus not telling the truth at all. My answer was: Nonsense. Steady State Theory was only devised in 1948, it was a cosmological theory and had nothing to do with the age of the earth ". I quoted from Wiki, showing you that you were not telling the truth at all. I even showed you who and when Solid State Theory started.No personal attacks. Just your false statements showed you where you were not telling the truth. No personal attacks involved in that. It does show a lot about your character. I still believe that people who write that "in the 19th and 20th centuries, people thought that the earth always existed", belong in institutions. Seeing that you believe the Bible, as did virtually all Europeans, Americans, etc till about 100 years ago, I think that you are certainly twisting the truth to such an extent that you would fly into buildings.Why don't you realize that, the moment you stop telling porkies, you won't experience "personal attacks"?Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Maybe. Creationists conflate the ideas of "Big Bang" and "Evolution" and "Geology" all the time. They think it's all the same. Not at all. They certainly didn't think that the age of the earth was "indefinite". They thought it was "poofed" into existence less than 10 000 thousnad years ago. They all read the Bible or Quoran or wherever their culture or fancy took them.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

designtheorist
Nothing against you. I actually like you, because you are a sincere person in what you believe.Sincere, but misguided (just like I used to be). I really dislike it intensely when people don't tell the truth. Just tell the truth, man. Nobody's going to kill you for it (you don't live in a Village in darkest swamps in the Congo, do you?). People could learn from you, and you could learn from other people. That's what this forum is for. That's how humanity advances. When people don't tell the truth, they are distrusted and made fun of. And fall back into the dark ages.You have to be very careful when writing words down, because words (mostly) do have very specific meanings. People do look them up in dictionaries (I do in the Oxford, because English is not my first language). Sometimes American is Greek to me! However, that's the only way people from all over the world can attempt to understand what a person is trying to convey.
Just tell the truth!

You see, here you lied again. Burbidge wasn’t worried about all those peers turning religious, he was worried that his peers followed the BB religiously. See, you didn’t tell the truth about what Burbidge thought. That is a classic definition of a quote mine. A form of telling porkies. Again.