where is heaven

You seem to be out of balance. A half-hour on dephlogisticated air should fix you right up. (In Japanese, depending on the kanji, Rei means zero, spirit, expression of gratitude, command, actor, cold, companion, or case. Unrelated, it's also my middle name. Really. )------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

Thanks Chavez,Have you seen this one? You may find a few more thoughts on the subject HERE.db------------------
"I was very unwilling to give up my belief." Charles Darwin

Nope, my Fault, the 55% came from somewhere else that I haven't verified yet- SO I'll retract it. However, is it wrong to say that the majority of the people did believe that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it? How did an idea like that get started? So what would you call the guys doing the work that came up with the proof the earth was round, or revolves around the sun? Hacks, good guessers, what? They may have been limited in the tools they had, but how does that make them less scientific if their theories are proven out by the means they give for evidence? Websters Dictionary agrees that these discoveries were indeed scientific, making the people who discovered them Scientists.
As for being disingenous- after looking at all the fraudulent discoveries by "scientists",(like all of the "missing links",the Mars rock, "simple" one celled organisms that are now KNOWN to be so complex they have been likened to a factory), forgive me for being a bit beyond skeptical of the hard evidence for evolution. However I do see that I will have to be more exact,( as I should be- Thanks!!! I haven't been taken to task in a while), when making the arguments here.
I took a look at the definitions of Breadth. One you evidently were not aware of is,(per Websters Dictionary 1987 edition) is : freedom from narrowness of mind. Wouldn't that qualify as a dimension? According to Websters definition of the word " Dimension", it certainly is. IQ is the current measurement of the capacity of the mind. A scale from 0-200 is the current norm. What if you knew all the knowledge availible and say,( for arguments sake),that made your IQ 2000. That would put you in a situation that would make it difficult to be able to explain things you know, with some one of a 200 IQ. They just don't have the capacity to understand it. That would certainly put the 2000 IQ on a,( dare I say it), different plane of understanding. Have you ever tried to explain to someone whose got no understanding of physics how a simple carb on a car works? Much less how to adjust it, and the what and how each one of those adjustments affects and interacts with the system. How about the ignition timing and it's effects in the cylinder? If they don't have the basic tools for comprehension then how do you explain it to them?

Heaven and Hell, if they exist, could simply be located on another plane, such as a pocket dimension or even alternate worlds.-Thanos6 (who's read too many comicbooks )------------------
"When mankind falls into conflict with nature, monsters are born."-Professor Hayashida, Godzilla 1985

It has been said that heaven resides behind the Eta Carina.Wize

You start with analogies to what you have in common. You seek out a mutual frame of reference, and then you start with the fundamentals, explaining as you go, until they have the necessary framework to fully understand the idea.It's a process called "teaching". Since you can read and write I assume that you've experienced this process sometime in the past.(BTW IQ isn't a measurement of innate brain ability. It's a measure of educational success. I point this out whenever possible because it's a common misunderstanding of what IQ means.)[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 11-02-2003]