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IamJoseph
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Message 286 of 301 (640606)
11-10-2011 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by frako
11-10-2011 9:30 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
Pristine Monotheism.

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IamJoseph
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Message 287 of 301 (640607)
11-10-2011 10:24 PM


The best solution for humanity is to be governed by laws, as opposed to names and figure heads. The laws must be agreed to by all humanity's representatives, and any law can be changed or corrected when one law proves unfeasible. Faculties like love and peace are based on and conditional to laws - not names.
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Coyote
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Message 288 of 301 (640610)
11-10-2011 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by IamJoseph
11-10-2011 10:19 PM


Pristine Monotheism.
Pristine Monotheism.
So you think the best solution for humanity is for everyone to believe in your particular deity and then everything will be fine?
Nice work if you can get it, eh?
How about we discard all "deities" and all other superstitions and myths and try to find some rational methods to guide our way of living?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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IamJoseph
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Message 289 of 301 (640611)
11-10-2011 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Coyote
11-10-2011 10:32 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism.
No I do not and never said so. The post referred only to what the Hebrew bible stands for. Monotheism is a scientific and logical principle, not a diety. There are only two kinds of beliefs: monotheism - and the rest. When push comes to shove, all belief systems become monotheistic. Its about whether the buck stops at ONE or it never stops. There's only two possibilities, not three, but only one is logical and scientific.

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Message 290 of 301 (640613)
11-10-2011 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Coyote
11-10-2011 10:32 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism.
Coyote writes:
How about we discard all "deities" and all other superstitions and myths and try to find some rational methods to guide our way of living?
Some would argue that we would then become our own deities. I don't believe that this whole idea of making society fully responsible for its destiny will work. I also dont necessarily believe that all myths are superstition.

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Coyote
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Message 291 of 301 (640615)
11-10-2011 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by IamJoseph
11-10-2011 10:42 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
No I do not and never said so. The post referred only to what the Hebrew bible stands for. Monotheism is a scientific and logical principle, not a diety. There are only two kinds of beliefs: monotheism - and the rest. When push comes to shove, all belief systems become monotheistic. Its about whether the buck stops at ONE or it never stops. There's only two possibilities, not three, but only one is logical and scientific.
Monotheism and all the rest of the theisms are based on myth and superstition. They are different flavors of religious belief, and are not based on scientific evidence.
You don't agree?
Then provide us with empirical evidence for 1) the existence of deities, and 2) the evidence which shows how many deities there are.
If you think this is the "best solution for humanity," the basket into which we're to put all our eggs, you better have some good, solid, empirical evidence to back it up.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 292 of 301 (640617)
11-10-2011 11:13 PM
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11-10-2011 10:59 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
I also dont necessarily believe that all myths are superstition.
You have a good point there: myths and superstition would be considered quite differently in anthropology courses. In fact, in such courses the latter term will probably never be used. You don't even see "myths" used much anymore. You are more likely to see "oral narratives" or some such non-biased term instead. So you are correct, they are not the same and I was using loaded terms.
But the fact remains that there is no empirical evidence for supernatural deities.
Some would argue that we would then become our own deities. I don't believe that this whole idea of making society fully responsible for its destiny will work.
That's a problem then. If people individually, in small groups, or in the aggregate, are not responsible for their own destiny then who or what is?
I would hesitate to place the future of humanity in the hands of supernatural deities for which there is no empirical evidence. We have had too many deaths over the past tens of thousands of years because "my god says [whatever] and that's the way it's going to be."
How about we start to put a premium on rationality instead?
It's worth a try for a change, isn't it?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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IamJoseph
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Message 293 of 301 (640618)
11-10-2011 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Coyote
11-10-2011 11:00 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
Sure I can prove it. What kind of proof will satisfy so you never repeat your desperate question touted by all who have no other?

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Message 294 of 301 (640619)
11-10-2011 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by IamJoseph
11-10-2011 11:22 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
Sure I can prove it. What kind of proof will satisfy so you never repeat your desperate question touted by all who have no other?
Empirical evidence, scientific method. Same as always.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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IamJoseph
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Message 295 of 301 (640620)
11-10-2011 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Coyote
11-10-2011 11:53 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
Emperical size acceptable? Should the diety be as large as the table it is placed on - or larger for emperical veracity?

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Message 296 of 301 (640621)
11-11-2011 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by IamJoseph
11-10-2011 11:58 PM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
Emperical size acceptable? Should the diety be as large as the table it is placed on - or larger for emperical veracity?
Your question makes no sense.
Please try again with reference to empirical evidence and the scientific method.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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IamJoseph
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Message 297 of 301 (640622)
11-11-2011 12:38 AM
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11-11-2011 12:12 AM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
What scientifically based measurements apply - can the deity be larger or smaller than the scientific lab vase?

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Panda
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Message 298 of 301 (640627)
11-11-2011 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by IamJoseph
11-11-2011 12:38 AM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
IamJ writes:
can the deity be larger or smaller than the scientific lab vase?
Yes.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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IamJoseph
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Message 299 of 301 (640628)
11-11-2011 5:29 AM
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11-11-2011 5:11 AM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
But the vase is too small, dear Eliza, dear Eliza, too small.

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Panda
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Message 300 of 301 (640631)
11-11-2011 5:50 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by IamJoseph
11-11-2011 5:29 AM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
IamJ writes:
But the vase is too small, dear Eliza, dear Eliza, too small.
Why are you trying to put your god in a vase?

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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