Why Do People Steal?

No, I'm calling you out in hopes that people will stop taking you seriously and stop replying to you as if you actually do what your posts say you do. It's obvious you are an attention seeking child (THAT's name calling) and you think it's cute to glorify criminality. (FYI: It ceases to be "playing devils advocate" when you are in opposition to EVERYONE on every post you make.)

"He started it" and "I didn't do it" are actually two different propositions.

Whew. I am just glad to be back on to the topic, rather than defending myself from the name callers and their fans.Shit. I guess we are dangit. Right on. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t reading into anything. There was another post I think it was cavediver, where he said he was out in a field looking for a wallet with a torch. And all I could think of is DANG get a flashlight, but to him torch = flashlight. To me torch is stick that is on fire. Sometimes what we say to each other gets lost in translation. I think it is dishonest. And I know it is illegal, but I do not think it constitutes theft. I think the crime is Fraud, if the crime were theft then I would not have an argument. I am glad that not everyone is so serious and thinks I am trolling. The thing is, I do not care if I am right or wrong. If you guys can prove to me that I am wrong then great. I learned something today. I am not trying to win an argument. Personally I find that debating something from the POV of the other side makes me better at debating (even if I loose everytime), because I have to think about something from a different angle than I do personally. Too some this is the definition of a Troll; I have seen trolls on other sites, they have no skills at all, its just personal attacks, and non-thought out crazy talk to elicit a response. I want a response, but I want to discuss it, not make you mad about it. Yeah but I am sure the penalty, and chance of discovery is too rough. That or maybe it’s something cultural, maybe us greedy time is money Americans would most likely jump all over that, and Englishmen are not that way. I dunno. You should’ve IMO. I realize you are not on a moral High horse, though I appreciate your civility. What is your reasoning though for not taking advantage of the situation though? Where I am from most people do. It is foreign to me that many people do not understand how easy fraud is. It is also hard to prosecute, because many times intent must be shown. Later on tonight, Dr Adequate is going to come over and steal all my stuff, then we are going to split the insurance money, if we both keep our mouths shut they will never find out. He Says he is keeping it, and just stealing it, but he HAS to say though or else we will get caught. Stealing big is a bad idea IMO. Great risk and great reward, but I am far to conservative for that.

yeah I thought i said that in #74. I am not following you at all right now.SLOW DOWN

Well you seem to be confusing two different ideas: the idea that something is wrong, and the idea that something's not in your best interest.If you really can't see why rape is wrong independent of whether or not you'll be punished for it, then I don't think I can explain it to you.

how do you report someone for:name callingthread jackingand repeatedly making off topic posts, while admitting to trying to derail a thread. why don't you just ignore me like I try to ignore you? [rhetorical]because you are an asshat, and disruptive, if i was that bothersome you would just ignore me, instead of this personal crusade you have against me. I do my best to ignore both of the bad posters from Wisconsin. FYI: I am agreeing with Modulous in this very thread. Are you blind, or is reading difficult for you?also there are people on here I almost never disagree with, so as usual you are wrong again.I may have unintentionally trolled you. my only logical explanation for the rage you have for me personally, but that was not my intent.

How many readers would engage in a cash transaction in order to avoid paying the tax? I know I would and I consider myself to be scrupulously honest. Is that theft?I know a few people who wouldn't but they are kinda strange.

If by fraudulent means you pay $1 for something that is priced at $10 you are stealing $9 from the store.

I would not do that knowingly.

I wouldnt."Render unto Caesar"I did, however, have a shoplifting binge when i was 13 or 14. I can write about that later.

Remembering, of course, that I do all kinds of rendering unto Caesar. Perhaps as much as 50% of what I earn is rendered off by the time I am done spending it.If I buy $100 worth of fire wood from my neighbour, should I pay an additional $13 to the state?

Depends on where you live. In the US, that would not be a taxable sale unless your neighbor sold wood as a profession.

If thats the law, so be it.I dont follow every and any law my self, i do illegal drugs as an example. But when you pay taxes, you pay to the society in which you are part of. You help making sure everyone is OK.It made me sad when the top tax bracket her in denmark fell from 63 to 60%. I dont make the monies to be in that bracket now (I currently pay 39%), but i will be some day, and i hope to pay MORE than 63%. I like giving to society.

I would argue that fraud is a type of theft.Theft is acquiring something that you are not entitled to, from someone who is - regardless of the method of the acquisition.Fraud is obtaining something that you are not entitled to, by deception. That is to say, fraud is theft by deception. The chance of discovery is medium (it was low when the offer was made, but they've caught wise now), but being able to prove me guilty beyond reasonable doubt is another issue entirely.There are plenty of English frauds, and some of them defraud for thousands of pounds. It just so happens I am not one of them. This isn't because of my nationality, but because I have a moral system which views theft by deception as morally bad.You could do the same fraud yourself, it doesn't require a great deal of expertise or insider knowledge to pull it off. Call it one of the side effects of having morals. I don't like victimising people for personal profit, and it was not a victimless crime. And most people are unpleasant, if they get to be so anonymously. Fraud is a great way to be unpleasant to someone else without worrying about the victims finding out who they are. You're not thinking big enough. I'm talking billions big. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Assume that it is illegal. Is it theft?