An Argument For Being Born Gay

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I knew at a young age that there was something between a boy and girl that I didn’t quite understand because it was modeled by my parents. I remember kissing a girl on the cheek in kindergarten but only because I had seen it done by my parents, or in a movie.

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I think you're reading a bit too much into the phrase, "knew I was gay/straight." From what I have heard and read (and my own personal reflections), it isn't like the kids are having pornographic fantasies. It's that they look back and realize that they behaved differently around one sex compared to the other and that they liked being around one sex better than the other and that those pleasureable feelings developed and matured into what we see in adult sexuality. Some kids know that they had this reaction of liking one sex better than the other early on. Look at the archetypical schoolgirl crush that many nine- and ten-year-olds have. It isn't like they're having thoughts of doing the nasty. It's that they are feeling something and it is being expressed in childlike ways.And with some people entering puberty at nine or ten years old, I don't find it that unusual to find some people who are aware of their attractions for the appropriate sex at such a young age.

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This message has been edited by Rrhain, 07-26-2004 01:14 AM

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I think the same could be said of folk who claim they 'knew' they were gay. It's just not likely that they actually did, and it is rather time for folk to admit that growing up is what it is.

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It's called "playing doctor." We don't seem to freak out when it's boys and girls doing it.And if the straights can do it at 5, why not the gays? This is a common problem among those who are stuck in the primacy of heterosexuality: When straight people do it, it's completely normal and expected. When gay people do it, it's perverted and aberrant. We don't get to have it both ways. All the talk we put on kids about having a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" applies to gay people, too.Is it at the same level of sexualization that adults have, of course not. But they understand what's going on.So why can't gay kids have the same understanding?

Phat responds to me:

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This explains a lot

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What, that you are incapable of detecting secondary sex characteristics? Do I really look like a 9-year-old girl? Certainly when I was in college and had very long hair, I would sometimes be mistaken for a woman from behind, but you'd think the beard would be a giveaway.Is there something you're trying to tell us, Phat?Edited by Rrhain, : Typo

Phat responds to me:

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Quick, where is my copy of the script? Im not sure how to tell Rrhain....

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or exactly what to tell him either?

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You can tell me, "Yeah, I fell for the stupidity of trying to insult somebody by insinuating he's gay. I'm sorry. I'll try to grow up."I mean really...how many years have y'all been sniggering? Is there a reason why you can't seem to stop speculating about where it is I put my penis? If you want to ask me out, then just do it. Stop trying to rile me up. There's a fine line between "pushy bottom" and "dickwad." If you're trying to get me to treat you like the sub you really wish to be, I can understand why you'd want to try and piss me off so I'll be that much more into putting you in your place. But in the end, I will not be giving it to you in the end. Your pathetic attempts to anger me only make me pity you.And I don't do pity fucks, no matter what sex the person I fuck is.

And the coward raises his head, I see. The man who does everything he can to remind everyone that he's obsessed about my dick to the point of spouting his fantasies of me working his ass over in threads that I'm not even participating in has decided to jump in.Onifre, sweetie, honey, baby, pussycat, it just ain't gonna happen. No matter how much you beg, no matter how desperate you get, I am never going to give you the release you need. I know that upsets you. I know that you start to drip every time you start thinking about my cock and what you wish I would do to you with it. But the more you talk about my sex life all the while you crow about your superiority, the more we all see just how bad you've got the jones for my DNA in your ass.Until you learn to respect your sexuality, until you can understand that your obsession with someone else's sex life will never lead to him consider you in the way that you want, you will always be on the back end of your own happiness. You're never going to be able to be content with yourself until you stop letting my penis control your life.Can you do that, my child? Can you bring yourself to stop being so fixated on where I put my dick?

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Your pathetic attempts to anger me only make me pity you.

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*Blink* You did not just say that did you?

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I most certainly did. My god, it's been going on for years and folks are still trying to get some mileage out of the "Let's accuse him of being gay!" schtick as if I'm somehow going to decompensate and start wailing like a child over the fact that some online schmoe I don't know from Adam is a homophobic jerk.How mightily important their own self worth is. Please.

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Ok, you got me. I actually have no idea which side you lean towards. Want to enlighten those of us who don't spend that much time reading these days?

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No. It's actually somewhat amusing to see the little boys (notice how it's never the girls) get so bent out of shape over their insecurities. It's pathetic, I know, but it only goes to show that even people who claim to be rational can get so squicked out over something that has nothing to do with them. After all, I'm never the one to bring it up. It's not like I'm "forcing it down their throats" (no matter how much they beg me to). It's really quite amazing to know that they actually get together to talk about my sex life behind my back, though it is sad and kinda creepy at the same time. I mean, having people obsessed over you is a bit of an ego boost, but really. Just how empty are their lives that they actually care about who's been sleeping in my bed?Besides, it wouldn't do any good. If I were to say that I'm straight, they'd still try to insult me by claiming I'm gay since their hatred of their own feelings toward their own sex compels them to demonize it. And if I were to say that I'm gay, they'd simply shout, "I knew it!" and then continue with their all-too-telling ejaculations, thinking that they were somehow justified in their reactions to the fact that they spend way too much time thinking about me.So since no good could come of it, what's the point in playing their sad, pathetic little game?

Jon responds to me:

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I just don't think kids so young really understand what is going on at all. It has nothing to do with being gay or straight; it has everything to do with being only five years old.

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But that's just it: They do. Or, at least, some of them do. Development isn't lock-step. Some people have no concept of sexuality until the pimples come while some have inklings before then. And it doesn't come all at once, either. But the fact remains that some kids are very aware of coupling and engage in that sort of behaviour. And there's a reason that some of them don't want to do it with the opposite sex.Again, it's not like kids playing doctor are trying to have actual sex. They don't know what sex is, after all. But just because you don't know about sex doesn't mean you don't understand what attraction is. Sexual orientation isn't confined to where you rub your genitals. It's about whom you are pulled to and those affections, though not explicitly erotic, are often present in the young.Why do you think kids play house? It's not just imitation of the adults. After all, you only play house or doctor with certain people. People that you "like." We may call it "puppy love," but that doesn't make it false.

Phat responds to me:

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Everyone who has been at this forum for a number of years knew, or at least suspected that you were gay, Rrhain.

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But that's all it is, Phat: A suspicion. I've never said one way or the other. And the only reason anybody has ever had to "suspect" me is because I adamantly defend the pro-gay position. I do not compromise on it. This makes some, particularly those who are insecure about their sexuality, uncomfortable. After all, only a gay person could possibly not find it appropriate to want to squeal, "EWWWW!" when it comes to the question of those who aren't straight. Sure, they'll talk a big game about how they aren't bigoted, but they still want to be able to act like morons without any consequences. The fact that a person doesn't lie in wait in the bushes to beat gays up doesn't mean he's not a problem. The fact that a person will vote for equal rights for gay people doesn't absolve him from being a homophobic twit when he finds himself unable to contain himself when he encounters the concept of two men kissing.And thus, I continue to be vague about my personal status because it gives the lie to these fools: They can't actually justify their position. The only thing they have left is to sputter, "Oh, yeah? Well...well..you're gay!" as if that meant anything. For all their bluster about "being real," they're just frightened cowards.

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and I never meant to insult you about it or push that button.

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If you didn't mean to do it, why did you? You made a one line post whose only substance was to call me gay. You will notice that I gave you the chance to back-pedal. My original post, the one to which you gave your snark, was about the behaviour of children which gave a specific example of 9-year old girls. My response to you was to point out that I'm not a 9-year-old girl and never have been and thus your, "That explains a lot" comment didn't make any sense.So when you come along now and try to claim that you "didn't mean to go there," it only shows that you're not being exactly honest, now are you? Since your comment makes no sense in the context of the post to which it is a response, then if it isn't you calling me gay, what is it, Phat? What exactly is explained to you?Be specific.

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My comment was meant to be mildly humorous, in response to your asking me if I had something to tell everyone.

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Since when is it humorous to denigrate some by casting aspersions on his sexuality? When did it become funny to be a homophobic twit?And you've got the timing wrong. You revealed your bigotry first and then I asked you if you had something to tell me. Not the other way around. So do you? Is there a reason why you can't seem to keep your mind out of my pants? Why is it so important to you to know to whom I find my affections drawn? It's never going to be you, so why do you care?

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I had and have no intention of teasing or snickering about anyone...in my circle of friends, being gay is no more of a big deal than being bald...or blond..or black.

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You just said you were trying to be humorous. So which is it? Were you trying to poke fun or not?Keep digging, Phat. I'm sure that hole won't get any deeper.And by the way, you do realize that if you have to say, "Some of my best friends...," then you actually do have a problem, yes? It's one of the classic signs of somebody who can't recognize their own bigotry. They think that because they can socialize with a single person, that somehow means they don't have any issues with the concept in general. It's all a bunch of bullshit, of course.

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I have always respected your intellect, and was making an artistic reference to the fact that you are a sometimes actor. (Hence the script reference)

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I got that, but your timeline is backwards again. You showed your bigotry first, I responded, and then you brought up me being an actor, which has no sensible connection to the question at hand. What would my being an actor have to do with when people start noticing their attractions? Do actors notice them earlier? Says who?

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People are born gay...but my initial comment directed at Crashfrog was Im not sure that "being attracted to someone" is the same as wanting to have sex with them. I'm attracted to people of both genders and am not trying to have sex with them...at least not consciously.

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OK, so what does that have to do with you trying to put me down by calling me gay? If that's what you were trying to say, why didn't you just say that? "This explains a lot" doesn't come close to this final comment of yours.Again the words you are looking for are something along the lines of, "I'm sorry. I fell for the idea that calling someone gay was an acceptable, even humorous thing to do. I'll try to remember that it isn't in the future."And yes, being attracted to someone isn't the same as wanting to have sex with them, but being gay isn't just about having sex. When you fall in love, is sex the only thing on your mind? Of course not. The foundations of a relationship are emotional. The physical is part of it, yes, but we don't stop loving someone just because we're not having sex with them right here and now.So if we can understand that adults can realize their connection to people of the appropriate sex (for them, in case it wasn't clear) without having to have sex, why can't we accept that some kids can recognize that connection, too?We have all this structure in place for straights and it's so ingrained that we ddon't think anything of it: "Puppy love." But somehow, when we consider the possibility that gay people go through the exact same thing, we immediately pervert it into something awful. If we don't question straights who display heterosexuality as kids, why the sudden panic over gays doing the same thing, recognizing their homosexuality? There are no end to the stories of little Johhny who goes around in kindergarten, kissing the girls. We think it's cute.For some reason, we can't wrap our heads around Jimmy doing the same thing to the boys.

Onifre responds to me:

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That's so graphic.

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Yep. Since you cant seem to stop fantasizing about me stroking the insides of your rectum, I figured I might give you more to fixate over. Perhaps you'll learn the lesson: You can either continue to agonize over what you're never going to get or you can let it go.Can you do that?

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Believe me I'm not fixated on where you put your dick...

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Then why is it that in a thread that had nothing to do with me and which I wasn't participating in, you brought up my sex life? For someone who claims he doesn't care, you sure have a funny way of showing it. After all, I am never the one to bring it up. It's always you.Time to fess up, Onifre. You think about my dick a lot, don't you. Whenever you see my name on a post, that's the first thing that pops into your head, isn't it.

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I always saw you more as a bottom. A taker rather than a giver.

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See, there you go again, trying to piss me off so that I will rise in anger against you, as if being a bottom were a bad thing, somehow less of a man. But I'm sure you know that it takes a lot of work to be a good bottom. You can't just lie there like a lump and take. Being a bottom requires giving up a lot. As they say, the bottom is the one with the real control.

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Remember, Jesus will heal you if you just let him inside you.

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You know, it's rude to steal someone else's material. Granted, Artemis isn't much of a comedian, but it was his joke. You seemed to be proud of your comic's roots and that's a big no-no in the world of comedy.And you wonder why you never seem to get anywhere. Do you have anything original to say?Or can you finally learn your lesson?

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But you did the exact same thing to Phat in Message 42:

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Yes, I know. But you seem to be lacking a bit in your analysis. You see, I was using his prejudice against him. It's only insulting if Phat has a problem with it. It goes to proving the less-than-honest claim he was making about not wanting to go there.Instead, he did want to go there so when he opened the door, I pushed him through it. If there's any issue with where he landed, it's completely up to him to resolve it.

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You're insulting him by insinuating that he's gay, as if there's something wrong if he was, or that its something he should be ashamed of.

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Hypocrite much?

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Nope. I merely turned his own comments back upon him. It's only offensive if the original comment was. He claimed he didn't want to bring that up. Well, if his own insult is an issue when applied to him, how is it not when applied to me?

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And this whole shtick of yours that people posting that they think your gay means that they want to have sex with you just doesn't follow in the slightest. Nobody is falling for it and it makes you look stupid.

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Oh, so shallow is that analysis of yours. It goes back to the original point: Turning the bigot's issue back upon him. It's only offensive if you think there's something wrong with gay sex to begin with. And as has been shown too many times to count, those that crow the loudest are the ones who are most likely to be in the closet about it.But here's a chance to really show your depth. Be honest now: Do you really think that superficial claim was the point I was trying to make? Are you really that naive? Is there no other possible sub-text that might be the real message? You see, the big thing you and onifre and Artemis and hooah all try to do is to get me upset over accusations of being gay. So rather than play along, I turn it back upon y'all. Again, I am never the one who brings it up. It's always you. Therefore, rather than rise to your bait, I flip it back onto you to explain why it is in a thread that wasn't about me and which I wasn't participating in, you and onifre decided to start talking about my dick again. Or have you forgotten about it already? I mean, it was more than two years ago, so I can understand if it has slipped your mind, but it goes to my point:You've been obsessed about my cock for YEARS.So out with it: If it isn't because you want me to fuck the living shit out of you, why do you keep bringing it up?

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And the only reason anybody has ever had to "suspect" me is because I adamantly defend the pro-gay position.

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Uh, no. There's your behavior, and attitude, and just your demeanor in general...

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Isn't that what I just said? Clearly to your mind, only a gay person would defend the pro-gay position as strongly as I do. Which only proves my point.

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but most effectively, there's this:

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Hamlet's gay? Wow. No wonder Ophelia was so upset.And let's be honest, that has nothing to do with it. After all, you were begging for my cocksnot long before I put that picture up.So out with it: Why have you been so fixated upon my dick for all these years? If it isn't because you want me to bed you, then why do you keep bringing it up?

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But we can and do discuss how faggy you act without thinking about your dick.

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No, you can't. And I don't mean that as a response to the pathetic claim that "fag" doesn't mean, you know, "fag," but rather to the fact that every single time you decide to go there, it's to specifically talk about my sexuality. That necessarily means you're talking about my dick.You really don't remember, do you? Onifre called me a douche, you egged him on, and suddenly the two of you are wallowing in my sexuality.It's really sad. You have nothing better to do but to rag on me (really? I'm that much of a factor in your life?) and the only thing you can think of to say is that I'm gay. And you wonder why I keep pointing out how fixated you are on my dick?Prove me wrong. Let's see if you can go a year without making any comments about my sexuality.

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I've actually never thought about your dick.

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Then why do you keep bringing it up? Why do you keep jumping in when onifre brings it up? If you truly haven't thought about it, why do you seem unable to stop yourself from talking about it?Prove me wrong. Let's see if you can go six months without talking about my sexuality.

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Its more about how whiny and bitchy you'd be in person, like: there's now way he'd act like this in public.

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Like a "fag," right? And we're back to the comments about my sexuality again.

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You're just another member of the community, and we talk about people sometimes. Your outstanding quality just turns out to be how faggy you act.

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See...can't even go two sentences without bringing it up. Now, it's sad that you feel the need to whine about someone you don't even know, but to have to resort to calling him gay as your only retort is, well, it's pitiful.

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Its not about the positions you defend, but *how* you defend positions in general.

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Which is what, precisely? "Like a fag," right? And we're suddenly back to my sexuality again.I seriously doubt you can do it. You honestly can't relate to me except through your vision of my sexuality. Every time you respond, you immediately go to thoughts of my dick. You certainly can't explain your reaction without that crutch or you would have done so by now.So prove me wrong. Can you simply stop talking about it? I can guarantee that if you don't talk about my dick, I won't talk about it, either. This all goes away when you stop it. Or is that simply too much to ask?

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Then why is it that in a thread that had nothing to do with me and which I wasn't participating in, you brought up my sex life?

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Because you acted like a drama queen

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Huh? How could I have been acting like anything in a thread I wasn't participating in? It was you and Catholic Scientist, talking amongst yourselves. It was post #10 in the thread. Nobody had time to say anything about anything and I hadn't posted anything in that thread and never did. And yet, you decided to call me a douche (am I that important in your life that you have to bring me up to others) and when CS egged you on, you immediately called me gay.So please, onifre, do tell how I made you do it. Tell us how my powers are so great that you were compelled to react to a post I didn't make.

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and YOU YOURSELF brought up the question of your sexuality:

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Huh? Have you forgotten Phat's post? Message 30: You will note that when I asked him what it was that was being explained, I didn't bring up my sexuality but instead gave him an opportunity to backpedal (Message 40) But instead of backing off his attempt to insult me by saying I'm gay, he doubles down (Message 41): And then you come in to make it official (Message 43): So do please tell us how I was the one who brought it up, not Phat.

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You usually bring it up.

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Then you will have no trouble finding but a single instance where I have. It'll be easy for you. Just go through all your posts where you talk to me. Eventually you start trolling for my dick. Read them and tell me when I have ever been the one to bring up my sexuality.

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You like to make it the center of the topic then get all self-righeous about it like you're the only one who defends gay people.

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Huh? Where have I ever said or implied anything of the sort? Be specific. Again, this should be easy for you. Just go through your posts where you talk to me. You eventually start salivating over my dick. Find where I have ever said I'm the only one.You do recall that I got banned for defending Dan Carroll for being banned for defending berberry, yes? I have thrown that back in Mod's face whenever he starts down the road of three wrongs making a right again. So if I can remember the others who are pro-gay, why can't you?Could it be because I'm the only one you want to fuck you?

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It does make you a little less.

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See, that's why you keep getting rejected: You're still ashamed of yourself. The stink of self-hatred is so thick that it wouldn't be an act of mercy to show you the kindness of human contact the way you so desperately desire. You'd be so self-loathing when it was over, if not halfway through, that no self-respecting person would ever respond. Nobody wants to hear you cry in self-pity in the middle of a screw.Someday, when you finally learn that your feelings are OK to have, you may finally find someone willing to touch you. But it'll never happen until you learn to let go of your obsession with my dick.Can you do that?

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Actually it's a lot of peoples joke

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I see...you can't even steal original material. See, I'm an actor. I have an excuse. All of my lines are written by somebody else. You're the one who's supposed to be coming up with the new stuff. But not only can't you do that, you can't even steal reasonably fresh content.Ah well. Not everybody's cut out to be a comic. You certainly aren't connected to funny as our last foray showed. Have you figured why the joke was comedy rather than cruelty yet?

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Absolutely we can.

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You misunderstand. Are there people who can talk about being gay without referring to sex? Of course. Being gay is more than just sexual activity, so of course "we" can discuss being gay without referring to sex.But what I said was, "No, you can't."And you, the singular "you," meaning you, specifically, can't.Why? Because every time you bring it up, you aren't referring to my emotional attraction. You're referring to my sexual attraction.And let's not pretend that calling something "gay" is just an innocent synonym for "uncool." Even you don't believe that.

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And you're not going to be able to let that go.

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This all ends when you learn to stop talking about my sex life.Can you do that? Can you learn to stop talking about my sex life?

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But really, its not.

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But with you, it always is. You never call me "gay" with regard to any other intent except to denigrate me by your perceived sexual orientation. Again, the problem isn't that "we" can talk about the other aspects of being gay that go beyond sexual activity.It's that you can't.

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They're more to considering something gay than the specifics of sexuality.

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Which, in the context of denigrating something as "gay," necessarily refers to sexual activity. Nobody insults someone as "gay" for having an emotional connection to people of the same sex. No, the slam is based specifically and solely upon the sexual act.

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And there could actually be a somewhat interesting topic here, with the whole outrage against the phrase "That's gay", and the way that the people who use it think they're being misunderstood.

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That's for another thread. The challenge for you will be to see if you can handle not referring to sex.

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The fact that something can be considered gay or faggy without having anything to do with sex or sexuality proves you wrong.

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Incorrect. Just because it can be done doesn't mean you have done. It is quite possible to open the front door to my house. You have never done so.The problem is not that it is impossible to discuss what it means to be gay without talking about sex. There's more to sexual orientation than sex. No, the problem is that you can't seem to avoid sex when calling something "gay." You never reference the emotional or psychological aspects of sexual orientation. It's always a reference to sex.So prove me wrong: Stop talking about my sex life and we'll see if I can stop myself from mentioning it, too.

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So even when I don't mention sexuality, you're gonna bring it back to sexuality again yourself.

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No, you did that yourself. "Whiny and bitchy" have no connection to being gay. It is simply a stereotype created by homophobes who can't handle the idea of two men having sex. It certainly isn't an issue of love or affiliation, camraderie, and interpersonal connection. It's about squealing "EWWW!" at the thought of two men kissing.If you had meant, "whiny and bitchy," that's what you and onifre would have said when hou two got together to talk about me in a thread that wasn't about me and I wasn't participating in. But that isn't what you said and it isn't what you were implying. Instead, you were talking about my sex life.

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Now you've got circular reasoning too. Has it ever occured to you that you could be the one who alwayws brings up sex?

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Same challenge to you: Prove it. It should be easy to do. Just go through any thread where you respond to me. You eventually start talking about my sex life. Surely you should be able to tell who is the first one to bring it up.And should that be too difficult for you, let's run an experiment: You don't post anything that even hints at my sex life and we'll see how long I can go before bringing it up.Can you do that? Can you just not talk about it?

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I already did in Message 62, so there, you've been proven wrong. And now your behaving exactly how I described.

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You mean your pathetic attempt to explain this (Message 60)? Yeah, right...you're not talking about my sexuality. Even you don't believe that. Oh, no doubt you'll try to claim that "faggy" is just an innocent synonym for "uncool" and that you had absolutely no idea that it was a reference to sexuality and that you certainly never intended it that way, but let's not play dumb. You aren't that stupid so please don't pretend that we are. You chose your words with care and deliberateness. There's a reason you said what you said, quite consciously to be able to say, "But I didn't say that," as if we're all a bunch of morons.You were baiting, CS. Just fess up to it.

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Are you talking about the Gender and Humor thread?

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No. That was last year. I already said the thread I'm referring to is from two years ago. Keep looking.After all, if you never bring it up, surely there won't be that much to look through.

Phat responds to me:

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When I said "This explains a lot" I was referring to my own sexual feelings...not yours.

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Then why the smiley? That indicates that there is some other meaning to be had, that you're making a joke. And what, pray tell was that other meaning? What was the joke you were trying to make? Your post was a single line long. Why didn't you actually expound upon what this insight into your own history revealed to you about how we as a society treat budding sexuality in children if that were what you were trying to say?Especially when I explicitly asked you to expound upon it: Is there something you're trying to tell us?You're not stupid, Phat. Don't pretend that we are.

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When I asked "Not sure how to tell Rrhain or what..." I was trying to be funny and secretive (as to my own sexuality) at the same time...but this whole thing apparently backfired.

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Huh? That makes no sense. You claim you were thinking about your own past with regard to how you came to recognize your attractions, whatever they may be, I respond by being confused as to why you think I was once a 9-year old girl and asking you directly to clarify your position, and suddenly you shift into being vague about your sexual orientation even though you've talked about it before?You really expect us to believe that? You're not stupid, Phat. Don't pretend like we are.For what, Phat? Be explicit. You seem to be asking for forgiveness for tracking mud over the carpet as if that'll let you off the hook for breaking in in the first place.

Jon responds to me:

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Phat explained the misunderstanding.

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And I explained how it was a crock of shit.

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Jesus Christ already; give it a break.

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I will when y'all will. It's a simple challenge: Let's see how long I can go without talking about my sex life when nobody else talks about it, either.I have a post that's on topic that was directed to you: Message 48. You gonna bother replying to it?