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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Taz responds to me:
quote:quote: I most certainly did. My god, it's been going on for years and folks are still trying to get some mileage out of the "Let's accuse him of being gay!" schtick as if I'm somehow going to decompensate and start wailing like a child over the fact that some online schmoe I don't know from Adam is a homophobic jerk. How mightily important their own self worth is. Please.
quote: No. It's actually somewhat amusing to see the little boys (notice how it's never the girls) get so bent out of shape over their insecurities. It's pathetic, I know, but it only goes to show that even people who claim to be rational can get so squicked out over something that has nothing to do with them. After all, I'm never the one to bring it up. It's not like I'm "forcing it down their throats" (no matter how much they beg me to). It's really quite amazing to know that they actually get together to talk about my sex life behind my back, though it is sad and kinda creepy at the same time. I mean, having people obsessed over you is a bit of an ego boost, but really. Just how empty are their lives that they actually care about who's been sleeping in my bed? Besides, it wouldn't do any good. If I were to say that I'm straight, they'd still try to insult me by claiming I'm gay since their hatred of their own feelings toward their own sex compels them to demonize it. And if I were to say that I'm gay, they'd simply shout, "I knew it!" and then continue with their all-too-telling ejaculations, thinking that they were somehow justified in their reactions to the fact that they spend way too much time thinking about me. So since no good could come of it, what's the point in playing their sad, pathetic little game?Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Is it at the same level of sexualization that adults have, of course not. But they understand what's going on. That was rather the point of my example: I just don't think kids so young really understand what is going on at all. It has nothing to do with being gay or straight; it has everything to do with being only five years old. JonLove your enemies!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Jon responds to me:
quote: But that's just it: They do. Or, at least, some of them do. Development isn't lock-step. Some people have no concept of sexuality until the pimples come while some have inklings before then. And it doesn't come all at once, either. But the fact remains that some kids are very aware of coupling and engage in that sort of behaviour. And there's a reason that some of them don't want to do it with the opposite sex. Again, it's not like kids playing doctor are trying to have actual sex. They don't know what sex is, after all. But just because you don't know about sex doesn't mean you don't understand what attraction is. Sexual orientation isn't confined to where you rub your genitals. It's about whom you are pulled to and those affections, though not explicitly erotic, are often present in the young. Why do you think kids play house? It's not just imitation of the adults. After all, you only play house or doctor with certain people. People that you "like." We may call it "puppy love," but that doesn't make it false.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Rrhain writes: Everyone who has been at this forum for a number of years knew, or at least suspected that you were gay, Rrhain. It really was no big deal, and I never meant to insult you about it or push that button. My comment was meant to be mildly humorous, in response to your asking me if I had something to tell everyone. I had and have no intention of teasing or snickering about anyone...in my circle of friends, being gay is no more of a big deal than being bald...or blond..or black. I have always respected your intellect, and was making an artistic reference to the fact that you are a sometimes actor. (Hence the script reference) People are born gay...but my initial comment directed at Crashfrog was Im not sure that "being attracted to someone" is the same as wanting to have sex with them. I'm attracted to people of both genders and am not trying to have sex with them...at least not consciously.
My god, it's been going on for years and folks are still trying to get some mileage out of the "Let's accuse him of being gay!" schtick as if I'm somehow going to decompensate and start wailing like a child over the fact that some online schmoe I don't know from Adam is a homophobic jerk.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Phat responds to me:
quote: But that's all it is, Phat: A suspicion. I've never said one way or the other. And the only reason anybody has ever had to "suspect" me is because I adamantly defend the pro-gay position. I do not compromise on it. This makes some, particularly those who are insecure about their sexuality, uncomfortable. After all, only a gay person could possibly not find it appropriate to want to squeal, "EWWWW!" when it comes to the question of those who aren't straight. Sure, they'll talk a big game about how they aren't bigoted, but they still want to be able to act like morons without any consequences. The fact that a person doesn't lie in wait in the bushes to beat gays up doesn't mean he's not a problem. The fact that a person will vote for equal rights for gay people doesn't absolve him from being a homophobic twit when he finds himself unable to contain himself when he encounters the concept of two men kissing. And thus, I continue to be vague about my personal status because it gives the lie to these fools: They can't actually justify their position. The only thing they have left is to sputter, "Oh, yeah? Well...well..you're gay!" as if that meant anything. For all their bluster about "being real," they're just frightened cowards.
quote: If you didn't mean to do it, why did you? You made a one line post whose only substance was to call me gay. You will notice that I gave you the chance to back-pedal. My original post, the one to which you gave your snark, was about the behaviour of children which gave a specific example of 9-year old girls. My response to you was to point out that I'm not a 9-year-old girl and never have been and thus your, "That explains a lot" comment didn't make any sense. So when you come along now and try to claim that you "didn't mean to go there," it only shows that you're not being exactly honest, now are you? Since your comment makes no sense in the context of the post to which it is a response, then if it isn't you calling me gay, what is it, Phat? What exactly is explained to you? Be specific.
quote: Since when is it humorous to denigrate some by casting aspersions on his sexuality? When did it become funny to be a homophobic twit? And you've got the timing wrong. You revealed your bigotry first and then I asked you if you had something to tell me. Not the other way around. So do you? Is there a reason why you can't seem to keep your mind out of my pants? Why is it so important to you to know to whom I find my affections drawn? It's never going to be you, so why do you care?
quote: You just said you were trying to be humorous. So which is it? Were you trying to poke fun or not? Keep digging, Phat. I'm sure that hole won't get any deeper. And by the way, you do realize that if you have to say, "Some of my best friends...," then you actually do have a problem, yes? It's one of the classic signs of somebody who can't recognize their own bigotry. They think that because they can socialize with a single person, that somehow means they don't have any issues with the concept in general. It's all a bunch of bullshit, of course.
quote: I got that, but your timeline is backwards again. You showed your bigotry first, I responded, and then you brought up me being an actor, which has no sensible connection to the question at hand. What would my being an actor have to do with when people start noticing their attractions? Do actors notice them earlier? Says who?
quote: OK, so what does that have to do with you trying to put me down by calling me gay? If that's what you were trying to say, why didn't you just say that? "This explains a lot" doesn't come close to this final comment of yours. Again the words you are looking for are something along the lines of, "I'm sorry. I fell for the idea that calling someone gay was an acceptable, even humorous thing to do. I'll try to remember that it isn't in the future." And yes, being attracted to someone isn't the same as wanting to have sex with them, but being gay isn't just about having sex. When you fall in love, is sex the only thing on your mind? Of course not. The foundations of a relationship are emotional. The physical is part of it, yes, but we don't stop loving someone just because we're not having sex with them right here and now. So if we can understand that adults can realize their connection to people of the appropriate sex (for them, in case it wasn't clear) without having to have sex, why can't we accept that some kids can recognize that connection, too? We have all this structure in place for straights and it's so ingrained that we ddon't think anything of it: "Puppy love." But somehow, when we consider the possibility that gay people go through the exact same thing, we immediately pervert it into something awful. If we don't question straights who display heterosexuality as kids, why the sudden panic over gays doing the same thing, recognizing their homosexuality? There are no end to the stories of little Johhny who goes around in kindergarten, kissing the girls. We think it's cute. For some reason, we can't wrap our heads around Jimmy doing the same thing to the boys.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Onifre, sweetie, honey, baby, pussycat, it just ain't gonna happen. No matter how much you beg, no matter how desperate you get, I am never going to give you the release you need. I know that upsets you. I know that you start to drip every time you start thinking about my cock and what you wish I would do to you with it. But the more you talk about my sex life all the while you crow about your superiority, the more we all see just how bad you've got the jones for my DNA in your ass.
That's so graphic.
Can you bring yourself to stop being so fixated on where I put my dick? Believe me I'm not fixated on where you put your dick... I always saw you more as a bottom. A taker rather than a giver. Remember, Jesus will heal you if you just let him inside you. - Oni
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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Could you guys just get a room?
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Onifre responds to me:
quote: Yep. Since you cant seem to stop fantasizing about me stroking the insides of your rectum, I figured I might give you more to fixate over. Perhaps you'll learn the lesson: You can either continue to agonize over what you're never going to get or you can let it go. Can you do that?
quote: Then why is it that in a thread that had nothing to do with me and which I wasn't participating in, you brought up my sex life? For someone who claims he doesn't care, you sure have a funny way of showing it. After all, I am never the one to bring it up. It's always you. Time to fess up, Onifre. You think about my dick a lot, don't you. Whenever you see my name on a post, that's the first thing that pops into your head, isn't it.
quote: See, there you go again, trying to piss me off so that I will rise in anger against you, as if being a bottom were a bad thing, somehow less of a man. But I'm sure you know that it takes a lot of work to be a good bottom. You can't just lie there like a lump and take. Being a bottom requires giving up a lot. As they say, the bottom is the one with the real control.
quote: You know, it's rude to steal someone else's material. Granted, Artemis isn't much of a comedian, but it was his joke. You seemed to be proud of your comic's roots and that's a big no-no in the world of comedy. And you wonder why you never seem to get anywhere. Do you have anything original to say? Or can you finally learn your lesson?Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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See, there you go again, trying to piss me off so that I will rise in anger against you, as if being a bottom were a bad thing, somehow less of a man. But you did the exact same thing to Phat in Message 42:
quote:quote: You're insulting him by insinuating that he's gay, as if there's something wrong if he was, or that its something he should be ashamed of. Hypocrite much? And this whole shtick of yours that people posting that they think your gay means that they want to have sex with you just doesn't follow in the slightest. Nobody is falling for it and it makes you look stupid.
And the only reason anybody has ever had to "suspect" me is because I adamantly defend the pro-gay position. Uh, no. There's your behavior, and attitude, and just your demeanor in general... but most effectively, there's this:
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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I am struggling to think of a subject less interesting than Rrhain's sexual orientation...
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Um, I never thought about his sexuality at all.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong. Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4040 Joined: Member Rating: 8.1
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Um, I never thought about his sexuality at all. Nor have I. At what point exactly do you think this thread ceased to be about homosexuality and the nature/nurture question, and became instead a thread for flaming? Oh, the puns, they burn...The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
quote: Yes, I know. But you seem to be lacking a bit in your analysis. You see, I was using his prejudice against him. It's only insulting if Phat has a problem with it. It goes to proving the less-than-honest claim he was making about not wanting to go there. Instead, he did want to go there so when he opened the door, I pushed him through it. If there's any issue with where he landed, it's completely up to him to resolve it.
quote: Nope. I merely turned his own comments back upon him. It's only offensive if the original comment was. He claimed he didn't want to bring that up. Well, if his own insult is an issue when applied to him, how is it not when applied to me?
quote: Oh, so shallow is that analysis of yours. It goes back to the original point: Turning the bigot's issue back upon him. It's only offensive if you think there's something wrong with gay sex to begin with. And as has been shown too many times to count, those that crow the loudest are the ones who are most likely to be in the closet about it. But here's a chance to really show your depth. Be honest now: Do you really think that superficial claim was the point I was trying to make? Are you really that naive? Is there no other possible sub-text that might be the real message? You see, the big thing you and onifre and Artemis and hooah all try to do is to get me upset over accusations of being gay. So rather than play along, I turn it back upon y'all. Again, I am never the one who brings it up. It's always you. Therefore, rather than rise to your bait, I flip it back onto you to explain why it is in a thread that wasn't about me and which I wasn't participating in, you and onifre decided to start talking about my dick again. Or have you forgotten about it already? I mean, it was more than two years ago, so I can understand if it has slipped your mind, but it goes to my point: You've been obsessed about my cock for YEARS. So out with it: If it isn't because you want me to fuck the living shit out of you, why do you keep bringing it up?
quote:quote: Isn't that what I just said? Clearly to your mind, only a gay person would defend the pro-gay position as strongly as I do. Which only proves my point.
quote: Hamlet's gay? Wow. No wonder Ophelia was so upset. And let's be honest, that has nothing to do with it. After all, you were begging for my cocksnot long before I put that picture up. So out with it: Why have you been so fixated upon my dick for all these years? If it isn't because you want me to bed you, then why do you keep bringing it up?Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Everyone who has been at this forum for a number of years knew, or at least suspected that you were gay, Rrhain. I never "knew." I never suspected. I never gave the matter a moment's thought. Now that you've suggested the possibility, I conclude that his sexuality makes not a whit's worth of difference to me or to anything he's ever said here and I can't fathom a reason why I should care.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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But we can and do discuss how faggy you act without thinking about your dick. I've actually never thought about your dick. Its more about how whiny and bitchy you'd be in person, like: there's now way he'd act like this in public.
So out with it: If it isn't because you want me to fuck the living shit out of you, why do you keep bringing it up? You're just another member of the community, and we talk about people sometimes. Your outstanding quality just turns out to be how faggy you act.
quote:quote: Isn't that what I just said? Clearly to your mind, only a gay person would defend the pro-gay position as strongly as I do. Which only proves my point. Its not about the positions you defend, but *how* you defend positions in general.
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