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frako
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Message 7 of 268 (641939)
11-24-2011 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by IamJoseph
11-24-2011 4:42 AM


IMHO, both time and matter, based on a finite universe, is irrefutably the result of an external, precedent factor, and I know of no alternative to this premise.

Actually our boys are working on a theory that time and space are intertwined, basically one cannot exists whiteout the other.

Im looking for the article will post it when i find it.

is irrefutably the result of an external, precedent factor,

Well super string theory talks about a collision between 2 universes that produced space-time and matter in our universe. So actions that took place in the multi-verse could have created or shaped our universe but we can only theorize about the multi verse did the multi-verse come in to exsistance as our universe did or was it always there. We do have evidence that point to other universes like their gravitational effects.


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Message 34 of 268 (642070)
11-25-2011 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by kbertsche
11-25-2011 11:47 AM


In order to dispute the claim that "Everything that begins to exist has a cause" you need to provide a reasoned, logical argument that something can begin to exist with no logical cause. So far, I haven't seen this. I've seen you attempt to summarily dismiss the claim, but not to present a reasoned argument against it.

Hawkins radiation could fit the bill

A virtual particle comes in to exsistance with his counterpart, but they from on the event horizon of a black hole one falls in to the black hole the other brakes free thus unable to colide with his counterpart it begins to actually exists. Whit out a cause just a series of events.


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Message 75 of 268 (642316)
11-27-2011 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by designtheorist
11-27-2011 10:03 AM


Re: Reply to Percy
By the way, I am preparing for a thread on Hawking's new book. I'm certain you will want to be around for that one!

Um the one where he says no god needed to make the universe ??

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Message 100 of 268 (642423)
11-28-2011 4:58 PM
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11-27-2011 9:52 PM


Re: Reply to Dr Adequate #69
um i think you should watch the video i posted i know its long but its basically science for dummies 101, it explains why there is no need for god and why god has no where to hide anymore, well maby on the edge of the earth or beyond the rainbow

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Message 114 of 268 (642472)
11-29-2011 7:25 AM
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11-28-2011 6:17 PM


Re: Reply to PaulK
One may argue that we do not know if an immaterial being exists in such a realm as in premise 1, but the existence of such a being has not been disproved. If you argue it is not possible for a Designer/Creator to exist, then you are committing circular reasoning.

How can something immaterial effect the material world E=mc2 so energy is technically material. How do we measure the immaterial what evidence do we have immaterial things exist. How do you disprove an immaterial being if one cannot mesure immaterial stuff the same way you cant disprove immaterial invisible pink gravity goblins. What evidence do we have that immaterial things or realms exists?Besides your wish that magic sky daddies exist.


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Message 215 of 268 (642970)
12-03-2011 11:37 AM
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12-02-2011 7:35 PM


But my first point was to question this initial assumption that time and the universe start together. What evidence do we have for this claim? Is it really true? How do we know?

Time is intertwined with space so firstly no space = no time

Secondly singularities like black holes actually stop time inside them a singularity like the big bang that contained all the mass of our universe would logically do the same


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