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onifre
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Message 156 of 270 (642743)
12-01-2011 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Thugpreacha
12-01-2011 7:07 AM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
some thug hustla who simply wants to boost (steal for a fence) several hundred dollars worth of product in order to put gasoline in his Mercedes, which he also bought with illegal drug money.

This is the whitest thing I've read here in a while.

A thug hustla (aka black guy) shoplifting to pay for the gas in his Mercedes? Really? When does that happen?

I understand it's a fake scenario for your example, but it's very telling. It seems like you only accept shoplifting from someone from a lower class than you (mom on welfare) than from someone who you don't think should be in a higher class than you but is due to drug money... Why?

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 159 of 270 (642751)
12-01-2011 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by frako
12-01-2011 8:42 AM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
Gypsy!

Not many here in the US.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 168 of 270 (642781)
12-01-2011 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Thugpreacha
12-01-2011 2:29 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
Because I've earned my position in life through hard work and a decent, honest family...and I can't respect or even stand someone who hustles their way to the top...be they lower or higher economic class initially

What about someone born into a shit life of drugs, violence and crime... Doesn't their shitty life start earn them the right to huste for theirs?

You used the 'thug hustla' because that's who YOU see take advantage of the system. You could have used trust fund kid or many other examples, but you didn't.

You also use drug dealing in your example of someone who isn't earning an honest living. But how so? They buy and sell a product to an already existing market. Where does the dishonesty come into play?

I say if I gotta play the game by the rules, everybodymust do likewise...or lock em up and/or shoot em!

What rules? The rules of business? First, that is a cut throat game where everyone is out to fuck everyone. So I don't get where a drug dealer is being any worse than a banker. Or how, say, the Mafia is any worse than a loan company.

In other words, why are you taking a higher than thou attitude toward people just trying to earn a living in the same manner as you?

You think because you follow certain bullshit laws you are more honest than them?

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 177 of 270 (642909)
12-02-2011 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Thugpreacha
12-01-2011 5:11 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
And not pay taxes?

Oh christ, is that your criteria? Filing for your taxes?

First, everyone pays taxes, all day we do. When ever you buy a product you pay taxes, no way around that. And even when you file for your taxes, doesn't mean you'll have to pay. I never ever pay. As a comic with an awesome tax guy, I usually get something back.

You're fishing for anyway to hate on someone because you can't do what they do or have what they have. Sounds like you should Occupy Wall Street.

Perhaps I am bitter. The way that I grew up, I should have made it in life. It was largely my own fault that I didn't.

It's not over till you decide it's over, you can do whatever you want bro.

Drugs and addiction problems plagued me, and I only now am recovering from them. Perhaps that's why I hate drug dealers.

Do you feel the same way about liquor stores and convenient stores that sell cigs?

The labor union was a solution for me in 1989. I joined and found myself finally making better than minimum wages. As long as an employee was honest and reasonably ambitious, they would always have a job. This is no longer true.

That's right, it used to be about the work produced, now it's about the dollar saved. So what do you do about that?

I pay taxes.

Everybody pays taxes. Not everyone files for taxes, but again, even if you file for taxes doesn't mean you're going to pay back to the IRS.

You're spouting cliches off like "I pay taxes" and "I make an honest living" without thinking deeper into what that means. They mean nothing.

I never steal, nor would I.

Sure you would, if you had to. Lets hope you never have to.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 178 of 270 (642915)
12-02-2011 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by NoNukes
12-01-2011 7:35 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
It's not dishonest. But the fact that they aren't lying and stealing doesn't mean that we ought to carve statutes for them.

Who has suggested this? I'm just saying don't think you're better than them cause you have a square's job.

But many drug dealers are still predators and I don't apologize for my disdain for how they make money.

Drug dealers aren't predators anymore than a clerck at a liquor store is a predator. Drugs sell themselves, no one is marketing this stuff during football games like alcohol so your kids can already be programmed to accepting alcohol as a fun pass time. That's predatory.

Many people who resort to dealing make no bones about refusing other, less lucrative methods, legal means of earning a living that others will put up with.

Why? Because some political assholes have declaired some drugs are bad and some drugs are ok?

Do you consider someone working for Big Pharma the same way? The legal drugs are worse and have far more addicts than the illegal ones. Plus, not to mention the way they rape us with the prices for meds.

Isn't that criminal? Isn't that worse than a guy growing pot and selling it? Than a person who sells a few rolls at a club or a few grams of coke?

From what I gather talking to people, it's like they hate the lifestyle of the drug dealer rather than the drugs themselves. They don't view Big Pharma and it's CEO's the same as the local drug dealer because, the CEO's aren't black guys with gold teeth driving Caddys with rims on them. They're clean cut business men, mostly white, that wear suits to work and drive SUV's with stickers of their family on it. But they are far more corrupt and detrimental to society than the 'thug hustla'.

Lets be fair.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 180 of 270 (642924)
12-02-2011 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by NoNukes
12-02-2011 3:58 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
Do you know me that well?

No, that's why I said from talking to "people" not from talking to "you."

Maybe I hate the damage that I've seen inflicted on family members and I don't buy the idea that drug dealers bear no responsibility for the pain that the crap they sell stuff inflicts on others who don't even use.

You are gettiing away from the point, which is that a dealer isn't a dishonest person or some individual who is likely to steal from you.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 182 of 270 (642974)
12-03-2011 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by NoNukes
12-02-2011 5:10 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
But given that I acknowledged that point at the outset, that cannot logically be the reason why you responded to my post.

It was because of the predator claim, which they are not predatory in my experience. My evidence was they don't advertise or seek out buyers. They are approached and asked to sell a product; that's not predatory. I gave the example of alcohol advertisement, etc.

Your counter to my point was anecdotal. You've seen family fall apart due to drugs and blame, in some part, the dealers. Ok. That's your take. My anecdotal evidence would be dealers that I deal with, who are intelligent, some college graduated, some blue collar workers, who are just looking to make cash on the side.

Where do we go from there?

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 185 of 270 (643013)
12-03-2011 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by NoNukes
12-03-2011 3:22 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
I stand by my position that in general, people who sell addictive, poison to addicts are predators.

I agree, Big Pharma, tobacco companies and alcohol companies are horrible.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 188 of 270 (643022)
12-03-2011 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by anglagard
12-03-2011 9:37 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
Think you forgot to add fast food 'restaurants.' Less than one month of MacDonalds damn near killed Morgan Spurlock.

As opposed to Super High Me where comedian Doug Benson gets off pot for 30 days then done a shit load the next moth and vertually nothing happens to him.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 196 of 270 (643213)
12-05-2011 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by crashfrog
12-03-2011 9:47 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
Sure, McDonalds makes cheap-ass burgers out of low-quality beef that normally wouldn't make it to retail.

It's cheaper to make your child lunch and dinner than to buy them McDonlads. The fact that the food is of low-quality makes it even worse as a source of food for children.

The main reason to target children is to gain loyal adult consumers who have been hooked since their childhood.

Hook the child gain a customer for life.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 198 of 270 (643217)
12-05-2011 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Thugpreacha
12-05-2011 1:09 PM


Re: I was high, officer. The twinkies jumped into my pocket
Glad you liked it, Phat...

Anyone interested, here's the trailer:

It's an interesting experiment, enjoyed at it's fullest when high.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 199 of 270 (643219)
12-05-2011 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by crashfrog
12-05-2011 4:49 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
At the median US income it's more expensive to cook one meal - of just rice and beans! - than it is to grab McDonalds on the way home from work.

That's ridicuous unless someone is seriously fucking with the numbers. Plus your link showed nothing I don't know what it was for?

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 202 of 270 (643224)
12-05-2011 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by NoNukes
12-05-2011 5:01 PM


Cheap dining
I'd take it even further than this. It's pretty expensive to fix yourself anything like a healthy meal at home.

Absolutely not. Just google cheap healthy eating. There's a bunch of website doing just that, showing people how to feed their family for cheap. Very cheap. Average dinner at McDonalds cost almost $25 dollars - See here. Many websites are showing meals for the family for less than $10 - See here - and take about 10 minutes to make. I've spent that kind of time in a drive thru during rush hour.

We just don't want to do the work.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 204 of 270 (643230)
12-05-2011 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by crashfrog
12-05-2011 5:22 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
Like I said, it's only "cheaper" if your time is worthless.

I don't get how that's relevant. Shopping on the weekend and cooking 10-15 minute meals when your off of work isn't costing anything.

Do the dishes? What are kids for?

As a parent, you'd go broke feeding your kids McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 207 of 270 (643237)
12-05-2011 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Artemis Entreri
12-05-2011 5:32 PM


Re: Cheap dining
4 people x $1 = $4.00 let's say $4.50 with tax. you can feed the whole family for under $5 and it took 3minutes to prepare, and serve to them.

This is insanity! One burger for each member of your family is "feeding your family dinner"...?

Tell you what, even cheaper... The arab convenient store by my house sells Ramen noodles 2 for $1. Family of 4 for 2 bucks! I win!

Or, even cheaper yet! They sell 2 ice cream sandwishes for 50 cents. Family of four for $1, even better! I win again!

I think a dinner should be a dinner, not a burger, or one Ramen noodle cup, or an ice cream sanwich.

I noticed in your link there was a meal that cost $1.11 per person, yet it took ALL DAY LONG to prepare.

Crock pot meals cook themselves slowly so you can go to work. Good for college kids too.

- Oni


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