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Please provide an original source for the dimensions and specifications you present.You might want to read the posts in relation to this after this Message 160.AIG can not provide any info on the authors or if the paper was reviewed before or after publication. Instead of providing help when I requested more information. Jonathan Safarti, who is touchy when you do not refer to him as Dr, instead got very defensive and told me it was up to me to find info about the authors and were if they were reputable.As for the Korea Research Institute of Ships and Engineering, the only response I have gotten from them is that this is not a paper from them. They did not or would not state whether any of the authors were affiliated with the institute.Nowif anyone could provide any information about the authors then maybe what they say might matter. But the paper presupposes a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff that is not in the bible.

Sorry, but it can't. Did you read the OP? True but irrelevant. I know. And that is large enough to exceed the structural strength of wood. Thus, wave action would spring the hull and it would sink. What cargo? As jar points out, you don't specify what the cargo was. How many "kinds" were there. Given the millions of species of living things on earth today, it seems improbable that they could have evolved in such a short time from the few kinds that would have been aboard the ark. I knew a guy who worked on a livestock transport ship. It was just a short journey across the English Channel, but even in that short distance, when transporting sheep, they all got sick and many died. How do you think that Noah's cargo fared any better. But that is actually irrelevant since the ark wasn't carrying sheep and you haven't told us exactly what it was carrying. How is that relevant? It leaked. Also, with no power, it would have turned broadside to the wave front and then rolled. 75 ft. waves are not uncommon even today. Like all creationists, your Korean creationists do shoddy science. They don't consider the sprung hull because the size of the ark exceeded the strength of wood. They don't consider that the ark was not powered and would have been turned sideways to the waves and rolled.I believe that I pointed out somewhere in this thread that on 17 December 1944 U.S. Navy Task Force 38 encountered a Typhoon. During that storm three destroyers, USS Hull (DD-350), USS Spence (DD-512), and USS Monaghan (DD-354), lost power when waves washing over the stern flooded the engine rooms. As a result, all three ships were turned sideways to the waves and rolled. The reports say that "almost" all hands perished.The story of Noah and the ark is a myth, not history.

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It would sink.

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At least it would do better than the Babylonian ark, which was a cube.

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At least it would do better than the Babylonian ark, which was a cube.

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Oh, is that so? Show us the maths showing that your arc could do better than a cube.

Your smart enough to figure out that a barge bigger then a football field can withstand the forces of rolling seas and mighty tidal waves alot better than a cube.

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Your smart enough to figure out that a barge bigger then a football field can withstand the forces of rolling seas and mighty tidal waves alot better than a cube.
  —Portillo

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Not necessarily. Was the barge made from gopher wood and the cube made from steel?Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Irrelevant and untrue. The length of the ark would mean that the hull would be twisted by the action of the waves. That would spring the hull beyond the abilities of any caulking to seal. There isn't any wood that is strong enough to resist twisting.

He is no doubt smart enough to figure it out if it weren't for the fact that you are dead wrong. Wood isn't strong enough to resist twisting when the craft is the size of a football field. It would sink and/or capsize in the slightest storm. Creationists tell us that Noah's flood was a big storm since it flooded the entire earth in only 40 days.

You should be smart enough to understand the stress on the keel as a barge hogs a swell.Hogging and sagging - WikipediaA wooden keel is not able to handle these stresses in larger boats. Hogging and sagging can snap steel keels in larger vessels.

Of course, he should also be smart enough to understand the stress on the vessel if it is not exactly perpendicular or exactly at right angle to the waves. In such cases, the wave force would strike one extreme of the vessel first and push it out of alignment. This was the cause of the visible snaking of the Wyoming and her sister ships. The hogging/sagging and the snaking as the ship crossed the waves sprung the hull timbers.Moreover, without any ability to orient the vessel to the waves, the ark would have been turned broadside to the waves and rolled if the height of the waves exceeded the breadth of the big box. Please refer to my earlier post where I mentioned the USS Hull, USS Spence, and the USS Monaghan.Edited by pandion, : No reason given.

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What cargo? You don't specify what the cargo was. How many "kinds" were there. Given the millions of species of living things on earth today, it seems improbable that they could have evolved in such a short time from the few kinds that would have been aboard the ark.

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Ernst Mayr lists the following numbers for animals species:Mammals - 3,500
Birds - 8,600
Reptiles and Amphibians - 5,500
Fishes - 18,000
Tunicates, etc - 1,700
Echinoderms - 4,700
Arthropods 815,000
Mollusks - 88,000
Worms, etc - 25,000
Coelenterates, etc - 10,000
Sponges - 5,000
Protozoans - 15,000Total Animals - 1,000,000

This is one of my favourite comments made by creationists.The people back then were smarter, thats how they were able to do these wonderful things.Then they forgot everything they had learned?Or they decided to teach the people who followed them LESS EFFECTIVE means of building boats?really?

Ask yourself: does this list make ANY sense at all?

Mammals - 3,500Mammals range in size from the blue whale down to the smallest most likely being one of the small species of bat or perhaps the dwarf shrew.So saying that they could fit 3500 mammals on the arc is a bit unspecific dont you think.Also, the ranges of the different mammals can be quite large, what do you think the cage sizes of 3500 mammals would be? And the food storage?Reptiles and Amphibians - 5,500this seems quite low. There are an awful lot of reptiles and amphibians. In your opinion, as they mostly fit into the category of reptiles, were the dinosaurs aboard? Some dinosaurs were on the large size. How did Noah manage to handle a brachiasaurus pair? Plus all of their food.Fishes - 18,000that really is low. Which fish do you think made the cut? Which fish do you think made it? the sharks? rays? Lobe finned? How were they transported? I would think that putting 2 whale sharks in a tank would be quite difficult. How did the fresh water water fish go?Did God explain to Noah that many species of fish require different water pressures and temperatures to survive? How did Noah pressurise the tanks for the fish from great depths?Tunicates, etc - 1,700God saw fit to save 1700 species of sea squirts? God must have fucking love those little bastards.Echinoderms - 4700So God wanted to save almost as many species, mostly of starfish, sea stars, brittle stars, urchins etc as reptiles and amphibians combined. He must have loved these guys almost as much as he loves the sea squirts. Considering that this phylum contains only marine species who would most likely survive being underwater anyway it seems off he went to the trouble of saving more than half of the know species.Arthropods 815,000well at least the arthropods got a pretty good deal. Considering that other arthropods are the main food source for many arthropods, how was feeding organised?Mollusks - 88,000not bad, as long as the squids and slugs get their place. How do reckon they kept the giant squid in its tank?Worms, etc - 25,000God must have loved worms too.Coelenterates, etc - 10,00010 000 species of fucking jellies? Really? God traded a reptile or amphibian for a jelly?Sponges - 5,000Sponges. You seriously expect us to belive that God chose 5 000 species of sponges. I like sponges as much as the next guy but I reckon they are bit overrepresented in this list.Protozoans - 15,000How did Noah gather these single celled critters? How were they kept? How did God choose one species over another?the total given is 1 000 000. That is only 500 000 species of animals. So in the time from the flood to now, the currect species have evolved from the ones from the ark. The most conservative estimate of species I can find is 3 million species. So in a few thousand years, 2.5 million new species have evolved from the 500 000 on the ark?Damn those creationist websites can twist Ernst Mayr and his work.Most pages are advising that he is the worlds leading biologist (or taxonomist, systematic biologist etc ) even though he is dead. He was a leading scientist, but not for a while now.One creationist webpage proudly used his data along with this information -

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According to Ernest Mayr, America’s leading taxonomist (deceased), there are over 1 million species of animals in the world.

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Not only do they get his name wrong, but there are currently over 1 million identified species of invertebrates alone. This info is a bit old.For those reasons and many, many more I dont think your list can be taken seriously.

No animals without nostrils so no sea creatures (and stop asking about those whale blow holes). All bugs are "of the same kind". All reptiles are of the same kind. No dinosaurs, unicorns, or orcs. There are a few kinds of birds, but not too many. A few extra of the clean animals for eating purposes.How am I doing?I've got green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but Lord, I'm so forlorn
I just can't find no unicorns.And Noah looked out through the driving rain
Them unicorns were hiding, playing silly games
Kicking and splashing while the rain was falling
Oh, them silly unicorns.Edited by NoNukes, : Should have tested that emoticon...