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frako
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Message 10 of 318 (644500)
12-18-2011 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Butterflytyrant
12-17-2011 11:28 PM


Atheistic regimes have killed over 100 million people. Thats 10,000 times more than all religious atrocities put together since the beginning of time.
I have heard this claim made many times. I have seen it brought up in debates and now it appears here.
Um can some one show me an atheistic regime?
Hitlers reigime well no, his whole idea was based on doing gods work
Stalin,
O great Stalin, O leader of the peoples,
Thou who broughtest man to birth.
Thou who fructifies the earth,
Thou who restorest to centuries,
Thou who makest bloom the spring,
Thou who makest vibrate the musical chords...
Thou, splendour of my spring, O thou,
Sun reflected by millions of hearts.
Yea sounds verry atheistic to me he dint alowe worhip of gods but hey that dosent mean he dint love worhip of him.
north korea well i think their leader got 11 holes in one while playing golf for the first time, again a noter cult of personality.
But one could count america as having an atheistic regime you know the whole seperation of curch and state buisnes. Ok i know its a bad example cause you torture andkill people today , but i dont see any corelation between atheism and killing people. I do se a corelation between religion and killing people but that could be because its easy to manipulate people with religion, and that is why it is used so often to make people do bad things.

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frako
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Message 13 of 318 (644549)
12-19-2011 3:01 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
12-19-2011 12:03 AM


Re: Nobody does Genocide better Christianity
although you will try and tell us that Hitler was a Christian...(Though we in the club know better)
EDITED per admins request
from mein kampf
I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.
translation god is with us
Stuf gotten from http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
There is more evidence on the fact that hitler was christian or claiming to be christian then there is for evolution and we all know evolution is true You can find the same information that i previusly posted in the wall of quotes on the above site.
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frako
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Message 24 of 318 (644591)
12-19-2011 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chuck77
12-19-2011 7:13 AM


Re: Nobody does Genocide better Christianity
Can you summarize your argument in a paragraph or two for all the people who don't feel like reading a frikkin book on a debate forum?
There is not a chance in hell he was not a christian,he could have been pretending to be a christian so the believers will do what god thinks is right, but my money would be on the he is a christian pile. And most deffinitivly not on the atheist pile.
So you can move the number of people who died because of hittler, to the deaths caused by religion pile.
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frako
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Message 26 of 318 (644596)
12-19-2011 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tangle
12-19-2011 12:12 PM


Um backinhistory when gods/devils where responcible for making people sick can we count the people who died to the religion pile or do we let it slide.

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Message 74 of 318 (644930)
12-21-2011 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by New Cat's Eye
12-21-2011 3:06 PM


So lets take a Crusade, shit-tons of mulsims killed in the name of Christianity, right? So, this one Crusader kills this one muslim. Did he do it in the name of religion? Was he forced into his situation and then had to defend himself? Did the religion really motivate his killing? Can we really say?
Well we can really say that atrocities commited by the Templars where because of religion. Noone was forced to be a templar, in order to be one you had to be a Knight and give all your belongins to the Templar order aka only religius fanatics would do that. And the Templars served directly under the Pope. So in the case of the Templars you can definitivly say it was religions fault.
In the case of hitler one can make the same case but hasto take in to account the 400 year propaganda against the jews in europe supported by kings and popes alike. As to why there was a haterd for the jews in europe you have the chiken and the eg question christians hated them because they where money lenders and that was a big no no way up on the list of no nos like a woman wearing pants no no. But they where moneylenders because noone let them do anything else because they dint like them. Hitler used this hatred for the jews to gain favore with the curch and to rally the people to his cause.
Now, if you zoom out, you could ascribe religious motivation the whole battle, but then we're getting into religion being the tool used by those in power to control the individuals... and that ain't really the religions fault either.
Fanatic religius leader: kill all americans cause god says so he gave me a vision we should strike now!!!!
his flock:" killem killem arrrrrrrrrrrgggggg!!!!"
Atheist: What did you eat when you had the vision? Did you consume any halucinogens? Whats your temperature you might be having health problems causing your visions.
But what if you look at the motivations towards the good things that people do?
So there are no Atheist organisations that help people???
Effort Sisyphus: Atheist Charities
This site says otherwise
think every hospital here in St. Louis is tied to some particular religion. Too, the shelters and food pantries are as well.
Isnt it nice how they have a mass for the homles first where they haveto wait in huger for an hour before they are given food.

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frako
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Message 106 of 318 (645197)
12-24-2011 8:13 AM


doing some math
WW2
Hitler was of christian faith no doubt about that, stalin and lenin led a cult of peronality could also be counted as religion so could mussloini, The Japan emperor was a god so defintivly the religion pile.
Military deaths in WW2
22 500 000
Civilian deaths
40 000 000
a total of 62 500 000 deaths on the religion and cult of personality pile.
Atheist pile 0.
and if you claim im being unfair you do not understand atheism no atheist believes that stalin, lenin, or muslonini causes the land to be fertile, summer, or that any man hit 11 hole in ones in his first game of golf religion spouts nonsense like that remember the boy borne of a virgin who had magic powers and rose from the dead i see no diference between these charachters.

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frako
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Message 110 of 318 (645209)
12-24-2011 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by GDR
12-24-2011 10:13 AM


Some people use religion as an justification for war but a good many people also use religion as justification for not going to war.
My religion is moraly supperior because 1 of every 1000 folowers of my religion refused to kill people.
Yea makes perfect sense.
Ignoring hindu, jansit, buddhist, and jehovas witnesses in the above reply.
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frako
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Message 179 of 318 (645633)
12-28-2011 3:33 PM


Um did anyone find any deaths caused by atheism yet because untill you do religion is infinitly worse then atheism. You can find deaths whos primary cause was religion just about whenever in history you choose to take a look. past decade a few muslims decided to slam a plane in to the WTC buildins cause their god commanded it a few thousand died but i still see nothing on the atheist pile. 3000/0 you get a divide by zero erreor choosing an infinitly small number to get close to zero you get a ratio of religion infinitly worse then Atheism.

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Message 186 of 318 (645715)
12-29-2011 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Portillo
12-28-2011 10:24 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
It doesnt matter to atheists that Stalin was an avowed atheist and wanted to exterminate religion.
And put himself up as the one and only god
It doesnt matter that Hitler was influenced by social Darwinism and Friedrich Nietzsche.
And used the bible to make all beleievrs beleive that they are doing gods work when they are killing jews, and romani, and the like, and ofcourse enemy soldiers. Oh and that he made atheistic organisations ILLEGAL

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frako
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Message 215 of 318 (645833)
12-30-2011 2:48 PM
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12-30-2011 2:04 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
Too, why focus on the bad stuff? Can't looking at the good things religion has done push it towards the high ground?
Um ok count some of the good stuff religion has done i dare you to name 10 good things religion has done for humanity.

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frako
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Message 318 of 318 (647747)
01-11-2012 5:27 AM


Religious books where written by men, plagued by the same corruption the majority is power and dominance. So when someone needs to justify their actions they can always find a particular text that fits their want to assert power over others.
Blacks well they have the mark given by god to Cain they should be slaves, Women well they tricked Adam to eat the apple you can beat them with a stick no thicker then your thumb, Peasants well they come from the line of that Noa's son who laughed at his father for getting drunk it says in the bible they haveto serve us who come from the other 2 sons.......
The one with the moral high ground is the one who goes beyond his biological morality and does not only apply it to those close to him but all humanity.

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