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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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You really should be careful whose ass you threaten to kick. There is always someone bigger and tougher than you.
With the internet you truly have no idea who you are threatening or talking tough to. Just saying.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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because they sold us beachfront property in Alaska and we bought it, because they said it was a good deal, and we listened to them. why? Because why would someone loan you money they knew you couldn't pay back? I think everybody goes into a loan negotiation expecting that the way they're going to be screwed is, the bank is going to require monthly payments that they're not going to want to pay, but they can afford it by cutting out the luxuries. Who on Earth goes into a loan negotiation saying "boy, I better watch out here or else the bank is going to give me $500,000 in free cash money?" Why would you expect a bank to do that? Why would you expect that to be something to watch out for? Like always, AE, you're shooting your mouth off about "personal responsibility" and abdicating your own responsibility to know what the fuck you're talking about. You're covering for your ignorance with your hilarious, idiotic physical threats. You are aware that everybody thinks you're an idiot, right?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Is that Neil DeGrasse Tyson?
- Oni
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi crashfrog,
I think everybody goes into a loan negotiation expecting that the way they're going to be screwed is, the bank is going to require monthly payments that they're not going to want to pay, but they can afford it by cutting out the luxuries. What they appear to have been unjustified in thinking was that the banks were being honest with them. What they appear to have been unjustified in thinking was that the banks were giving them the complete picture. What they appear to have been unjustified in thinking was that they would continue to have the jobs they had. What they appear to have been unjustified in thinking was that the economy would continue to grow as it had all their lives - a little bumpy but generally up. But what remains in the debris of this colossal failure of the banking industry, is that IF the trickle-down theory was correct, people would have kept their jobs, would have gotten raises and would have been able to pay their mortgages: IF the mortgages HAD been paid then the failure\collapse would NOT have occurred. But trickle-down did NOT occur, failure occurred, and the failure shot from the bottom to the top in DAYS, demonstrating that the economy is based on and dependent on the BASE, not the top. The economy is based on the 99% going about daily business and generating a movement of funds, not on the 1% accumulating funds and taking them out of the economy, rather than recirculating them back to the base. The economy is the movement of money, not the accumulation of it. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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More on Countrywide. Apparently they're frauds and racists.
The Justice Department on Wednesday announced the largest residential fair-lending settlement in history, saying that Bank of America had agreed to pay $335 million to settle allegations that its Countrywide Financial unit discriminated against black and Hispanic borrowers during the housing boom. [...] In addition, from 2004 to 2007 the peak of Wall Street firms’ demand for subprime loans that they purchased, bundled and resold as securities, a major cause of the ensuing financial crisis Countrywide allowed its brokers and employees to steer applicants who qualified for regular mortgages into a riskier and more expensive subprime loan. The odds of a minority applicant being steered into such a loan were more than twice as high as those for a non-Hispanic white borrower with a similar credit rating, the department said. About two-thirds of the victims were Hispanic and one-third were black, the department said. But wait! Didn't I hear on hate radio that the banks created all those subprime loans because of antidiscriminatory policies such as the CRA? Surely ... surely the whole problem was that the evil liberals wouldn't let them be mean to racial minorities? Well, now I'm all confused. Could Rush Limbaugh have been lying to us?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Artemis Entreri
I thought that was just a rhetorical question. And again you fail to answer it. Do you think it is just for a CEO to "earn" over a million dollars a year, while their lowest paid employee's annual salary is below the poverty line? Do you approve of Walmart forcing people to use food stamps and medicare to get by, because their wages and benefits are not sufficient, thus causing governments to subsidize Walmart with tax dollars?
Usually when you resist arrest you get beat up. While that may be a minor charge for you, I do not consider it minor. They were probably tolerating the trespassers in an attempt to find another solution to the problem rather than out right arrest. Must be nice to think that everyone beaten up by police deserved it and that whatever reason the police had was necessarily not a minor charge . . . a convenient way to hide yourself from the truth of the matter. I thought you didn't trust the police, yet you back them up every time. Obviously there was no major situation if it was not dealt with when it first arose. And there was no reason to resort to violence to arrest people one day that had not been arrested on a previous day for doing the same thing -- peaceful protests.
I don’t know, I do not speed. Another dodge. Is this the kind of police treatment you expect for a person getting arrested for a speeding violation?
No I am not, I was wondering how many posts it would take before you started building one of your famous RAZD strawmen? What was it 2 responses? Message 117: Y’all should totally be armed at your protests, the police aint stupid, well they aint that stupid. Basically act like a peasant, get treated like one. So you are saying that an armed group of people demanding that government change and responding to police with bullets would not be considered a revolutionary act? Again, reference is made to the US Constitution: Page Not Found
quote: If your advice was followed the National Guard would have been called in. Do a little research on armed groups and rebellions, and you will see that your advocacy of using guns to solve a problem means the state\federal governments respond with more guns and less regard for the people.
Riiiight. That is why so many people get arrested at OWS events, while the terrorist racist tea party people don’t get arrested at their events. Do you live in the twilight zone? Now who has the straw man argument? The Tea Party is neither racist (though some people at their gatherings may be) nor are they terrorists. Curiously the Tea Party is also advocating working within the laws and the making changes for what they see as better government. Amusingly there are Tea Party people that are involved in and that support the Occupy Movement - because they agree with both the methodology and the call for justice.
It’s not for bums and squatters, to camp out on. You visit a park enjoy it, and leave it, you don’t stay for weeks, and litter all over the place, and then refuse to leave when asked by city authorities. Ooo. Another straw man. They are neither bums nor squatters - those are your terms you use to delude yourself that the police action is justified. Most occupiers have college degrees, many have jobs and homes. In addition, there are people that don't spend full time there but phase in and out in order to work and take care of homes, and there are more people that support the movement during the day. They also have been keeping the parks clean and picked up during the occupations, not littering. According to the Providence Police the incidence of crime in that particular park is down since the occupation started. This is a peaceful assembly of citizens with a list of grievances that they want the government to address.
Not ironic at all, that our police use non-lethal, and less-than-lethal means of crowd control and dispersal. What is ironic is that hippies think our methods are the same as the methods used in Bahrain, Syria, and Libya, and try to actually act like they know what they are talking about. And yet a veteran of the Iraq war was nearly killed, a veteran that had survived several tours of duty in Iraq. What is ironic is that narrow minded conservative patsies think the methods used are somehow justified because they are supposed to be non-lethal, even though the goal of the methods is the same as in dictatorships -- to control the people that object to the government actions. This is done by causing bodily injury, whether lethal or not ... with people ending up in hospital emergency wards. Somehow it is better than a third world country to walk up to a peaceful assembly and just open fire or bash people over the heads with lead weighted sticks.
No family is protected because blood is thicker than water, but those outside of the family? whatever. Nah we are either a higher evolved species, or God created us to rule this planet. Thus confirming that you are selfish, ignorant, arrogant, and possibly deluded.
Amusing that you think rats behave better you silly hippy. Nothing like finishing with one of your famous ad hominem attacks - the sign of an inferior debate position. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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quote: Protesting to end oppressive government, to transition to a true democracy that represents the people . . . Protesting for respect, equality and justice . . . how dare they! Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Let me add this video that summarizes one persons experience from visiting many occupy protests:
quote: The first stage - attracting awareness to the basic issues of economic justice - is now fairly complete. We are now seeing the movement evolve to the next stage. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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We are now seeing the movement evolve to the next stage. I haven't heard much about the Occupy movement in the last week.... What's the next stage?
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined:
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I haven't heard much about the Occupy movement in the last week.... What's the next stage? it's getting to the point that the issues brought up are mainstream talking points. One clue is the recent blast in the Republican primary with Newt and Perry attacking Romney for "Vulture" capitalism. It causing friction and it goes to show that it has influenced what should be the "other side"
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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DC writes: it's getting to the point that the issues brought up are mainstream talking points. I agree. Here in the UK we have a conservative prime-minister declaring that boardroom pay is out of control and reflects a "market failure" that is the result of "crony capitalism" and which needs to be addressed. It's difficult to establish any direct link but I think that the occupy movement and other such protests have definitely brought these things to the fore and made politicians who would otherwise be championing market forces as the be-all-and-end-all take note of people's rising frustration and discontent.
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Zen Deist writes: But trickle-down did NOT occur, failure occurred, and the failure shot from the bottom to the top in DAYS, demonstrating that the economy is based on and dependent on the BASE, not the top. Apparently, there is no longer any pretense that the myth of trickle-down (voodoo) economics ever had any basis in fact. According to the leading candidate for Obama's house, people who want to discuss the increasing income gap between the rich and the middle class (outside of quite rooms) are simply envious, and perhaps sinfully covetous of their rich brethern. The other Republican candidates are being encourage to stop pointing out problems with Romney's work at Bain because doing so is bad for the Republican party. Romney, Gingrich tangle over ads in South Carolina | Fox News
quote: There's no need to make this stuff up.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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