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Chuck77 Inactive Member
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Chuck, you are just playing the same old tired creationist game of "explain that which we cannot currently explain, and do so completely and with every single step and bit completely documented and supplied with supporting evidence." I'm playing the game of asking the author of the thread for the evidence he said he seen that changed his mind from being a creationist to an atheist. That...is the game im playing. You do not have to play. Feel free to sit this one out. The author is a big big boy. I'm sure he can provide the evidence that he says persuaded him to convert. And BTW, if you didn't notice, I quoted him in those comments he made. I'm simply asking what evidence he has against his own comments he made in the past that convinces him now that his comments in the past were wrong. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Read his post.
It was not understanding that Evolution is a fact and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the diversity of life we see that turned him into an atheist, it was the Bible and finding out that the pastors or ministers had been lying to him for all those years that turned him from being a Christian to being an atheist. Christianity itself has no problem accepting either Evolution or the Theory of Evolution.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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This isn't the thread for it, but I think Chuck has unwittingly stumbled onto a good idea - it'd be fun to see Agent 509 go back and respond to some of his own earlier arguments, from a "here's why I said that; here's what I learned since" kind of perspective.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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So now, you believe life can arise from non-matter? Show the evidence supporting this. What seems particularly ironic about this, is that the theory of evolution says nothing about how life arose, but Genesis says that life was created directly from dirt.
77 writes: 509 writes:
So now, it's not? also, the Cambrian explosion is quite a problem in the fossil record...Message 52 Surely by now you've heard the answer to this question. Short version, nothing in the fossil record is a problem for the theory of evolution.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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Congratulations on the ability to overcome early indoctrination.
However, I noticed that many (not all) fundamentalist Christians are trained to think 'black/white/' , yes/no and very binary God/no God. .. Don't forget all those magnificent shades of grey that are between (and the magnificent colors) ... speaking metaphorically of course. The ability to come at a problem in a number of different angles will be invaluable for going into theoretical physics. Don't get stuck in the binary thinking...
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined:
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Your statement reminds me of, me over 40 years ago. The same type of situation. It caused me to start "reading" what was in the Bible rather than what "I was told" was in the Bible.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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agent_509 Junior Member (Idle past 4469 days) Posts: 16 Joined:
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Yes I might have to respond to my original messages at some point, although crashfrog is right, this isn't really the thread for it.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined:
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If you want a different take on Christianity you might look at some other threads on this forum. Here is one that is current. A Problem With the Literal Interpretation of Scripture We're all just searching for truth or as close as we can get to it eh? (Yes I am Canadian. ) You have sure picked interesting fields of study. Congrats. A very good suggestion GDR, it might even get him on his way back home. He is young and impressionable, which means there is still time to shape his thinking His first step is to make a distinction between fundamentalism and a strict YEC position. Its appears like yourself he has thown out the baby with the bath water It proves one thing, not having a solid foundation in these matters allows a person to be easily swayed Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dirk Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 84 Joined:
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He is young and impressionable, which means there is still time to shape his thinking
Thanks for (inadvertently?) showing us how christianity really works... Edited by Dirk, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Congratulations agent_509
Your story really is quite similar to mine. I used to be a very fundamentalist Christian (YEC, the works). Then, after starting to study geology, in my first year, a person, who pretended to be a "geologist", came to preach at our Church. He lied within his first sentence. And he kept on. And on. His untruths were obvious to me with just a few months of studying very basic geology. In the end, I was not even allowed to talk to this "PhD", not to mention even questioning him. He got his money and left. It was only later that I realized he had no PhD in Geology at all, but just some religious "degree" from an American degree mill. That started me off on a course of questioning everything. In the end, I realized that creationists always tell untruths. No exceptions. You can even see these untruths in this thread. They always tell untruths. I didn't really believe in any god after that, but I carried on thinking I believed, because I thought I had no other option. I believed in believe. Thanks to Richard, I realized that I could. I broke away. Question everything! Edited by Pressie, : Changed lies to untruths. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
NoNukes writes: So now, you believe life can arise from non-matter? Show the evidence supporting this. What seems particularly ironic about this, is that the theory of evolution says nothing about how life arose, but Genesis says that life was created directly from dirt. ID creationists can top that. According to BB and Singularity zero-time theory, you sheeple believe that the whole Universe arose from non-matter, no energy, no time, no space. Trump that creationist card, if you can. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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quote:See, this is what I meant with my post earlier. Creationists always tell untruths. Always. Edited by Pressie, : Changed "mean" to "meant". Past tense. Actually future tense to. I'm a prophet. Creationists will alweays lie!
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 349 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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Hey Buz, happy Festivus!
According to BB and Singularity zero-time theory, you sheeple believe that the whole Universe arose from non-matter, no energy, no time, no space. Actually, I think this more accurately reflects what you believe that the theory states.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Pressie writes: See, this is what I mean with my post earlier. Creationists always tell untruths. Always. Until you show evidence of your blind assertion that creationists always tell untruths, according to EvC protocol, you need to cite evidence and falsify all that all stripes of creationists tell. There are old earth/universe unique creationists. I am a unique creationist, for example, who is not evolutionists or BBist and who am not YEC, believing in an eternal Universe, eternal god, and intelligent design. At least, all creationists are not sheeple who march to one drum beat, played in nearly all educational institutions from pre-school on up through post doctorate. Creationist are more likely to think for themselves than Evolutionists are. Creationists need not aspire for peer reviews, by and large. The secularistic science peers see to that.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Stop trying to wave it away with word salads. Your whole sentence was untrue. Creationists always tell untruths. That's all they can do.
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