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Chuck77
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Message 16 of 358 (645186)
12-24-2011 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by dwise1
12-24-2011 5:07 AM


Chuck, you are just playing the same old tired creationist game of "explain that which we cannot currently explain, and do so completely and with every single step and bit completely documented and supplied with supporting evidence."
I'm playing the game of asking the author of the thread for the evidence he said he seen that changed his mind from being a creationist to an atheist. That...is the game im playing. You do not have to play. Feel free to sit this one out. The author is a big big boy. I'm sure he can provide the evidence that he says persuaded him to convert.
And BTW, if you didn't notice, I quoted him in those comments he made. I'm simply asking what evidence he has against his own comments he made in the past that convinces him now that his comments in the past were wrong.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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jar
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Message 17 of 358 (645203)
12-24-2011 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chuck77
12-24-2011 5:16 AM


Read his post.
It was not understanding that Evolution is a fact and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the diversity of life we see that turned him into an atheist, it was the Bible and finding out that the pastors or ministers had been lying to him for all those years that turned him from being a Christian to being an atheist.
Christianity itself has no problem accepting either Evolution or the Theory of Evolution.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 18 of 358 (645215)
12-24-2011 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Chuck77
12-24-2011 4:49 AM


This isn't the thread for it, but I think Chuck has unwittingly stumbled onto a good idea - it'd be fun to see Agent 509 go back and respond to some of his own earlier arguments, from a "here's why I said that; here's what I learned since" kind of perspective.

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NoNukes
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Message 19 of 358 (645216)
12-24-2011 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Chuck77
12-24-2011 4:49 AM


So now, you believe life can arise from non-matter? Show the evidence supporting this.
What seems particularly ironic about this, is that the theory of evolution says nothing about how life arose, but Genesis says that life was created directly from dirt.
77 writes:
509 writes:
also, the Cambrian explosion is quite a problem in the fossil record...Message 52
So now, it's not?
Surely by now you've heard the answer to this question. Short version, nothing in the fossil record is a problem for the theory of evolution.

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Message 20 of 358 (645219)
12-24-2011 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by agent_509
12-24-2011 12:27 AM


Congratulations on the ability to overcome early indoctrination.
However, I noticed that many (not all) fundamentalist Christians are trained to think 'black/white/' , yes/no and very binary God/no God. .. Don't forget all those magnificent shades of grey that are between (and the magnificent colors) ... speaking metaphorically of course.
The ability to come at a problem in a number of different angles will be invaluable for going into theoretical physics. Don't get stuck in the binary thinking...

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Message 21 of 358 (645223)
12-24-2011 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by agent_509
12-23-2011 9:30 PM


Your statement reminds me of, me over 40 years ago. The same type of situation. It caused me to start "reading" what was in the Bible rather than what "I was told" was in the Bible.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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agent_509
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Message 22 of 358 (645229)
12-24-2011 2:23 PM


Yes I might have to respond to my original messages at some point, although crashfrog is right, this isn't really the thread for it.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 23 of 358 (645231)
12-24-2011 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by GDR
12-23-2011 9:42 PM


If you want a different take on Christianity you might look at some other threads on this forum. Here is one that is current.
A Problem With the Literal Interpretation of Scripture
We're all just searching for truth or as close as we can get to it eh? (Yes I am Canadian. ) You have sure picked interesting fields of study. Congrats.
A very good suggestion GDR, it might even get him on his way back home.
He is young and impressionable, which means there is still time to shape his thinking
His first step is to make a distinction between fundamentalism and a strict YEC position. Its appears like yourself he has thown out the baby with the bath water
It proves one thing, not having a solid foundation in these matters allows a person to be easily swayed
Dawn Bertot
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Message 24 of 358 (645232)
12-24-2011 3:01 PM
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12-24-2011 2:47 PM


shape his thinking...
He is young and impressionable, which means there is still time to shape his thinking
Thanks for (inadvertently?) showing us how christianity really works...
Edited by Dirk, : No reason given.

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Pressie
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Message 25 of 358 (645233)
12-24-2011 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by agent_509
12-23-2011 9:10 PM


Congratulations agent_509
Your story really is quite similar to mine. I used to be a very fundamentalist Christian (YEC, the works). Then, after starting to study geology, in my first year, a person, who pretended to be a "geologist", came to preach at our Church. He lied within his first sentence. And he kept on. And on. His untruths were obvious to me with just a few months of studying very basic geology. In the end, I was not even allowed to talk to this "PhD", not to mention even questioning him. He got his money and left.
It was only later that I realized he had no PhD in Geology at all, but just some religious "degree" from an American degree mill. That started me off on a course of questioning everything. In the end, I realized that creationists always tell untruths. No exceptions. You can even see these untruths in this thread. They always tell untruths.
I didn't really believe in any god after that, but I carried on thinking I believed, because I thought I had no other option. I believed in believe. Thanks to Richard, I realized that I could. I broke away.
Question everything!
Edited by Pressie, : Changed lies to untruths.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 358 (645234)
12-24-2011 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by NoNukes
12-24-2011 10:55 AM


Creationists Hold The Trump Card On Origins
NoNukes writes:
So now, you believe life can arise from non-matter? Show the evidence supporting this.
What seems particularly ironic about this, is that the theory of evolution says nothing about how life arose, but Genesis says that life was created directly from dirt.
ID creationists can top that. According to BB and Singularity zero-time theory, you sheeple believe that the whole Universe arose from non-matter, no energy, no time, no space. Trump that creationist card, if you can.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Pressie
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Message 27 of 358 (645235)
12-24-2011 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
12-24-2011 3:21 PM


Re: Creationists Hold The Trump Card On Origins
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ID creationists can top that. According to BB and Singularity zero-time theory, you sheeple believe that the whole Universe arose from non-matter, no energy, no time, no space. Trump that creationist card, if you can.
  —buzsaw
See, this is what I meant with my post earlier. Creationists always tell untruths. Always.
Edited by Pressie, : Changed "mean" to "meant". Past tense. Actually future tense to. I'm a prophet. Creationists will alweays lie!

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Message 28 of 358 (645236)
12-24-2011 3:48 PM
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12-24-2011 3:21 PM


Re: Creationists Hold The Trump Card On Origins
Hey Buz, happy Festivus!
According to BB and Singularity zero-time theory, you sheeple believe that the whole Universe arose from non-matter, no energy, no time, no space.
Actually, I think this more accurately reflects what you believe that the theory states.

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Message 29 of 358 (645237)
12-24-2011 3:56 PM
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12-24-2011 3:33 PM


Re: Creationists Hold The Trump Card On Origins
Pressie writes:
See, this is what I mean with my post earlier. Creationists always tell untruths. Always.
Until you show evidence of your blind assertion that creationists always tell untruths, according to EvC protocol, you need to cite evidence and falsify all that all stripes of creationists tell.
There are old earth/universe unique creationists.
I am a unique creationist, for example, who is not evolutionists or BBist and who am not YEC, believing in an eternal Universe, eternal god, and intelligent design.
At least, all creationists are not sheeple who march to one drum beat, played in nearly all educational institutions from pre-school on up through post doctorate. Creationist are more likely to think for themselves than Evolutionists are. Creationists need not aspire for peer reviews, by and large. The secularistic science peers see to that.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Pressie
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Message 30 of 358 (645238)
12-24-2011 4:02 PM
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12-24-2011 3:56 PM


Re: Creationists Hold The Trump Card On Origins
Stop trying to wave it away with word salads. Your whole sentence was untrue. Creationists always tell untruths. That's all they can do.

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