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Mike Doran
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Message 2 of 12 (64401)
11-04-2003 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
11-03-2003 1:15 PM


The Gaia theory of pre cellular evolution, as it pertains to cirrus cloud dynamics, would point out that an symbiotic relationship between cloud based nucleotides and land based nucleotides has existed for billions of years. Therefore, one isn't going to do in the other. That means that virus nucleotides are going to survive and then immune system based nucleotides are going to survive . . . both. And condition that leads to an Andraumada Strain would wipe out Gaia's surface/marine conductivity modulations and hence result in the entire region where the pathogen existed to experience chaotic inputs of climate without modulation, hence making the virus extinct. Virus can rise to clouds and more heavy cellular or more complex and heavy precellular life could not, whereas virus particles would have becuase of their size no ability to provide a conductivity change below. W/out the virus, the more complex life wouldn't have cirrus modulating ability, and hence would again wipe out living earth climate feedbacks.
BTW, I am an athiest who does his best passing on god in a secular world.

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Mike Doran
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Message 4 of 12 (64532)
11-05-2003 11:00 AM
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11-04-2003 5:23 PM


My message, which I am not sure you understand, is that while IDers are incorrect to assert that God has created a design, are perhaps metaphorically correct in that these biological relationships are part of a young science AND part of an intelligent design. My view is that the whole earth, life itself, is a modulating reaction to chaotic inputs to climate. That global life existed like this before there was cellular life, and that resulting symbiotic relationships in cellular life have this design charactristic in relation to a living earth. Macro evolutionists who fail to see this order are IMHO more off than the creationist, who at least recognizes the pattern and the questions the patterns raise. Of course, I don't associate the patterns with God, but at least I see them.

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Mike Doran
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Message 6 of 12 (64559)
11-05-2003 2:16 PM
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11-05-2003 12:50 PM


Well of course there wouldn't be CURRENTLY, on these time scales, selective pressures against HIV becoming the "Andromeda" strain unless and until the human race died off--leaving no host for the virus. So I guess what I am saying is that neither virus or host IN GENERAL will go to the extremes of extinction because of their "purpose". Now, you may have seen below in the Living Earth thread the discussion on carp and how the virus was temperature responsive. Why? BTW, here is an interesting link on Africa:
http://thunder.msfc.nasa.gov/otd/otdglobal.html
But to answer your narrowing point, may I ask a question back. Are you familiar w/ Joejohn MacFadden's book on "Quantum Selection"?

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Mike Doran
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Message 10 of 12 (64745)
11-06-2003 1:16 PM
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11-05-2003 3:13 PM


The jest of the book is that mutations may not be all random, and some of the modulation may occur at a quantum level. This is an interesting biological mystery of how you can have a behavior in the area where cause and event has not been show yet leads to a determinative result. McFadden is a MD-and the book is a systems book w/ co-authors from physics world. This tied back to gaia.
BTW, I have an interesting story and comment over at the living earth thread.

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