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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
quote: It was mentioned. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.--Genesis 7:11. You are assuming that all God wanted to do was wipe out all life on earth. He also wanted to recreate it from scratch. He couldn't do that with a bunch of soggy ground and rotting corpses stinking up the place. The asteroids served as the tool to break up the existing crust into reworkable tectonic material.
quote: You are assuming there was nothing holding the crust up and thereby the water was under tremendous pressure. There could have been huge stabilizing columns all over the place holding the crust up. There is no need for the water to be hot or under tremedous pressure.
quote: It doesn't mean that at all. You are assuming the mantle crust boundary that exists today, existed 200,000 years ago. There was no core at that time either. Everything under the subterranean was very cold compared to the temperature known there today. It was at this time that accelerated radioactive decay began to kick in and the upper mantle, lower mantle, outer core, inner core began to form from an undifferentiated inital mass. There was no extraordinary heat underneath the subterranean water. Edited by foreveryoung, : correcting quotes
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
quote: You are assuming way too many things. You don't know the size of the objects or how many of them there were or over what period of time they hit the earth. The windows of heaven were opened for 150 days according to the bible. That is alot of time. The water is beneath the crust. The crust will disintegrate into fine sand before water ever starts to boil. The subterranean water will absorb the heat and so there is no need for the mantle to completely melt. If you consider the amount of heat necessary to disintegrate miles of crust into sand and the amount of heat lost when water was absorbed into the mantle, there is no need to conclude all water was vaporized.
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JonF Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Wow. Talk about ad-hoc un-evidenced assertions, we got a live one here!
Still looking for your calculations of the energy converted to heat from those asteroid impacts, and the effect of accelerated nuclear decay on life, and how life survived those catastrophes. Ever think about how much radioactive potassium-40 you have in your body, and the effect if it's decay were accelerated enough to fit a YEC scenario?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You are assuming way too many things. You don't know the size of the objects or how many of them there were or over what period of time they hit the earth. So tell us. It's your hypothesis.
The windows of heaven were opened for 150 days according to the bible. That is alot of time. The water is beneath the crust. The crust will disintegrate into fine sand before water ever starts to boil. The subterranean water will absorb the heat and so there is no need for the mantle to completely melt. If you consider the amount of heat necessary to disintegrate miles of crust into sand and the amount of heat lost when water was absorbed into the mantle, there is no need to conclude all water was vaporized. Please show your working. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
. The windows of heaven were opened for 150 days according to the bible. That is alot of time.
A million years is a lot of time. 150 days is nothing.
If you consider the amount of heat necessary to disintegrate miles of crust into sand and the amount of heat lost when water was absorbed into the mantle, there is no need to conclude all water was vaporized.
Another un-evidenced assertion. (Oh, and meteorite impacts don't produce sand). Let's see the calculations.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
quote: You are just one in thousands of anticreationist with an arrogant attitude that thinks we are ignorant neanderthals. Yes, I have considered all those things, and I have also considered that you assume way too much. Yes, 4.9 trillion joules is enough heat to raise 700,000 kg of crust by 100 degrees. You assume all the kinetic energy is translated into heat. WRONG! The kinetic energy could be translated into breaking lattice bonds that hold the rocks together. It takes quite a bit of energy to break 700,000 kg of rock into tiny little silicon tetrahedrals with maybe an extra iron or sulfur or calcium or sodium atom attached. Once all that is accomplished, more heat can be consumed into creating bonds that hydrate the silica tetrahedrals into new rock with high water content. There is no reason that this could not have happened. Just because heat is one of the possible outcome of kinetic energy translation doesn't mean it's the only one or the most likely.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2337 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.8 |
Just because heat is one of the possible outcome of kinetic energy translation doesn't mean it's the only one or the most likely.
Great so please show us the math detailing just how much of the energy went into heat.God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177 It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in mindssoon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Do you have anything besides insults? A person who ridicules and insults is afraid of something and is also afraid he doesn't have the intelligence to match his debater.
quote: You already calculated the energy converted to heat. The problem is that you assume all the energy is converted to heat like I already addressed. Accelerated nuclear decay would only affect life if it got anywhere near it. All the decaying nuclear material would start near the center of the earth and would take an enormous time before it got anywhere near to life on the surface.
quote: You are assuming noah and his family had the same radioactive potassium 40 in their bodies like we do today. It took an enormous amount of time for uranium and thorium and potassium 40 to reach the surface of the earth from where it started near the center of the earth.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
quote: That's not how it works buddy. You guys are the one who say a global flood and young earth are impossible. When I bring up a possible scenario, the onus is on you to show why it could not happen. When you do that, as trixie and others have, I show why that is not a real impossibility and show why like I just did.
quote: Again, that is not how it works buddy. You guys are the one who make the claim of impossibility. I show you ways that it is not impossible. I just did. It is now up to YOU to show why my scenario is impossible.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
quote: It is more than enough time to get the job done.
quote: We are discussing ideas here buddy. I'm not wearing a lab coat, and I don't have labratory utensils at hand, do YOU? Saying it is an un-evidenced assertion is like saying the sky is blue. It is meaningless to the discussion at hand. Meteorite impacts don't produce sand when you don't have 5 miles of subterranean water underneath you and the size of the crust is 35 miles. Those were not the conditions in noahs day.
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JonF Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Let's see your calculations.
It would also help if you could present a list of all the claims you have made or are going to make for which you have no evidence and require a miracle to produce. Just for grins I thought I'd post something from the RATE I book, by prominent creationist Dr. Russel Humphreys:
quote: Can you count the number of miracles he's assuming? It's convenient that your God is so accommodating, popping up another miracle whenever you want.
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JonF Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It is more than enough time to get the job done.
Another un-evidenced assertion. Let's see the numbers.
We are discussing ideas here buddy. I'm not wearing a lab coat, and I don't have labratory utensils at hand, do YOU?
Lab coats and utensils aren't necessary to do the math. List your assumptions and calculate the impact.
Saying it is an un-evidenced assertion is like saying the sky is blue. It is meaningless to the discussion at hand. Meteorite impacts don't produce sand when you don't have 5 miles of subterranean water underneath you and the size of the crust is 35 miles. Those were not the conditions in noahs day.
OK, let's see a list of the conditions that were different in Noah's day and the evidence that indicates that those conditions were different. Your un-evidenced assertions are still just that no matter what you want to claim about the sky today.
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JonF Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Again, that is not how it works buddy. You guys are the one who make the claim of impossibility. I show you ways that it is not impossible. I just did. It is now up to YOU to show why my scenario is impossible. You're making the positive claim of possibility, we're requesting sufficient information to evaluate that claim. The ball's in your court. Under today's conditions the scenario you propose would wipe out all macroscopic life at least twice over. List the conditions for your scenario including the evidence that those conditions were as you are assuming. You also need to address the observations we have such as the constancy of radioactive decay rates, for example The fundamental constants and their variation: observational status and theoretical motivations So far you're just making s**t up and assuming a miracle whenever your scenario has a problem. We know that's all you got, we've seen the same tired story many times before, we're just poking you for the fun of it.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 983 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Those were not the conditions in Noah's day. Where is your evidence for what conditions were "in Noah's day?" I'll take scripture, even, as that is all you've got. Except I don't remember what verse says there's five miles of water beneath the crust. Or the one that says there is a crust. A simple "Genesis xx:yy" formal will be fine."The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
He's a "Poe".
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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