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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.0
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There are no strawmans. It is an observation. The general claim of evolution is that every single organism on this planet stemmed from an original common ancestor. That is a claim biologists make, yes. But that is not the claim you made;
Mike writes: The problem with evolution is that if you observe a snail in the Cambrian era, and a snail now, you will not see a logically equivalent change between the extinct organism and it's extant counterpart. You clearly claimed that the lack of "logically equivalent change" (a nonsense term that you made up) posed a problem for the ToE, as that were what the ToE predicts. It does not. That is your false claim.
Fact is logic itself requires, that to prove the ToE, you have to show that the mechanisms have the power to evolve into new creatures. Random mutation and natural selection seem like rather a good start.
It is irrelevant that organisms don't need to change, necessarily, the point it a logical one, that the claim is that all of these changes came about BECAUSE of evolution. To show this is an absolutely miniscule way would be to show one novel morphology in the lab. That is not the case. Yes it is. The evolution of citrate metabolism in e-Coli demonstrates this.
The actual facts, if you ignore evolutionary dogma, about the fossil record being a record of life evolving rather than being a grave, shows that the Cambrian contains snails. There are, in many different eras, morphologies that are identical to todays, such as pollen and feathers. No. There were no feathers or pollen in the Cambrian. Show me the Cambrian organism that has "basically stayed the same" as a rabbit. Or a blue-footed booby. Or a whale shark. Or a spider mite, or an oak tree or a gecko, or a stinkhorn... Stasis my ass. Ooh! There's a good one! Show me a Cambrian ass!
The burden of proof is not on me to exactly state the hypothetics of evolution. I have an understanding of evolution, enough of an understanding, but logically that has nothing to do with the problem in hand. What really?! You don't think that your comprehension of a topic is relevant to your ability to discuss it coherently? Wow.
It states that every organism was a result of changes caused by an evolution, a potential non-sequitur. Oh look, you're still wrong. An evolution? WTF?
We know of many lineages that turned out to not be accepted. Accepted?
A mad, retarded, deformed frog-man, out of his mind, completely gone, can still state something true. Then I can only suggest that you find one and ask him to teach you about evolution. He would doubtless do a better job.
Goodbye Knowing your usual MO, this is the prelude to another twenty or so messages telling us how you won't be posting any more messages. Mutate and Survive
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Mabye this will help, Mike:
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The actual facts, if you ignore evolutionary dogma, about the fossil record being a record of life evolving rather than being a grave, shows that the Cambrian contains snails. [...] If you say that none-evolution also favours evolution and does not falsify it, then logically you can not falsify evolution. Please stop using the word "logically", as logic is not a quality your statements exhibit. Evolution is of course falsifiable, but it is not falsifiable by observing (relative) stasis in some groups any more than you can falsify the proposition that people move house, move from city to city, and even move from country to country by finding that one person or even several people have lived their whole lives in the same house. Yes, the Cambrian contains snails. Here's some of the things it doesn't contain:
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Rhyncholestes Echymipera Microperoryctes Rhynchomeles Isoodon Perameles Peroryctes Macrotis Amblysomus Calcochloris Neamblysomus Carpitalpa Chlorotalpa Chrysochloris Chrysospalax Cryptochloris Eremitalpa Geogale Limnogale Microgale Oryzorictes Micropotamogale Potamogale Echinops Hemicentetes Setifer Tenrec Elephantulus Macroscelides Petrodromus Rhynchocyon Orycteropus Dendrohyrax Heterohyrax Procavia Elephas Loxodonta Dugong Trichechus Cynocephalus Galeopterus Brachylagus Bunolagus Caprolagus Lepus Nesolagus Oryctolagus Pentalagus Poelagus Pronolagus Romerolagus Sylvilagus Ochotona Allenopithecus Cercopithecus Chlorocebus Erythrocebus Miopithecus Macaca Lophocebus Papio Theropithecus Cercocebus Mandrillus Rungwecebus Colobus Nasalis Presbytis Procolobus Pygathrix Rhinopithecus Semnopithecus Simias Trachypithecus Gorilla Homo Pan Pongo Hylobates Hoolock Nomascus Symphalangus Callimico Callibella Callithrix Cebuella Mico Saguinus Leontopithecus Cebus Saimiri Aotus Pithecia Chiropotes 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Scleronycteris Lionycteris Lonchophylla Platalina Xeronycteris Erophylla Phyllonycteris Chrotopterus Glyphonycteris Lampronycteris Lonchorhina Lophostoma Macrophyllum Macrotus Micronycteris Mimon Neonycteris Phylloderma Phyllostomus Tonatia Trachops Trinycteris Vampyrum Ametrida Ardops Ariteus Artibeus Centurio Chiroderma Ectophylla Enchisthenes Mesophylla Phyllops Platyrrhinus Pygoderma Sphaeronycteris Stenoderma Uroderma Vampyressa Vampyrodes Sturnira Cardioderma Lavia Macroderma Megaderma Nycteris Rhinolophus Anthops Asellia Aselliscus Cloeotis Coelops Hipposideros Paracoelops Paratriaenops Rhinonicteris Triaenops Craseonycteris Rhinopoma Miniopterus Kerivoula Phoniscus Harpiocephalus Harpiola Murina Cistugo Lasionycteris Myotis Arielulus Eptesicus Hesperoptenus Lasiurus Nycticeinops Nycticeius Rhogeessa Scoteanax Scotoecus Scotomanes Scotophilus Scotorepens Nyctophilus Pharotis Glischropus Nyctalus Parastrellus Perimyotis Pipistrellus Scotozous Barbastella Corynorhinus Euderma Idionycteris Otonycteris Plecotus Chalinolobus Eudiscopus Falsistrellus Glauconycteris Histiotus Hypsugo Ia Laephotis Mimetillus Neoromicia Philetor Tylonycteris Vespadelus Vespertilio Atelerix Erinaceus Hemiechinus Mesechinus Paraechinus Echinosorex Hylomys Neohylomys Neotetracus Podogymnura Solenodon Crocidura Diplomesodon Feroculus Paracrocidura Ruwenzorisorex Scutisorex Solisorex Suncus Sylvisorex Congosorex Myosorex Surdisorex Anourosorex Blarinella Blarina Cryptotis Chimarrogale Chodsigoa Episoriculus Nectogale Neomys Soriculus Megasorex Notiosorex Sorex Condylura Parascalops Scalopus Scapanulus Scapanus Desmana Galemys Neurotrichus Scaptonyx Euroscaptor Mogera Parascaptor Scaptochirus Talpa Dymecodon Urotrichus Uropsilus Equus Ceratotherium Dicerorhinus Diceros Rhinoceros Tapirus Manis Dasypus Calyptophractus Chaetophractus Chlamyphorus Euphractus Zaedyus Cabassous Priodontes Tolypeutes Bradypus Choloepus Cyclopes Myrmecophaga and that's just modern mammalian genera. Shall we start on the insects?
Reality shows that the creatures always produce what they essentially are. The fossils agree. Nope.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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mike the wiz writes: That's fair enough, but I fail to see why these superficial changes are regarded as evolutionary change. The tiny genetic changes that occur during reproduction are evolutionary because they're hereditary, i.e., passed on to the next generation. Because these genetic changes are hereditary, they accumulate over time. You used the term "superficial changes", but this isn't a good term for the small genetic differences that occur between parents and offspring. Depending on which nucleotides and where in the genome, a single tiny nucleotide swap can have an effect ranging from none at all to totally fatal. All we can do is try to be accurate in our description of the nature of the genetic changes that occur from one generation to the next: there are a small number of copying errors, and in sexual species the alleles of the parents come together to form new allele pairs for the genes (there's other things that happen, but let's keep this simple). If we're trying to look forward then that's as accurate as we can be, and there's no way to know if the effect of these small genetic changes that occur during reproduction are going to be none, superficial, a little, a lot, or fatal. --Percy
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 582 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
The essence of argumentation and debate is starting from evidence and using reasoning to come to a conclusion. You guys claim you have all the evidence but you never bother to connect the dots from evidence to conclusion. If you do, the conclusion is not the same from one year to the next. It is a moving goal post. This does not even touch on the fact that the reasoning that you do use is circular more often than not, and when it isn't circular, it is so full of holes it can not hold water.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The essence of argumentation and debate is starting from evidence and using reasoning to come to a conclusion. You guys claim you have all the evidence but you never bother to connect the dots from evidence to conclusion. If you do, the conclusion is not the same from one year to the next. It is a moving goal post. This does not even touch on the fact that the reasoning that you do use is circular more often than not, and when it isn't circular, it is so full of holes it can not hold water. You are telling falsehoods to us, about us. Your chances of deceiving us are slim.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 582 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
No lies here. I call em as I see em.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
No lies here. That's why I deliberately used the word "falsehood", rather than lie; I am doing you the doubtful courtesy of supposing that you really are deluded enough to believe what you're saying.
I call em as I see em. No. You call them as you believe them; your delusions, being counterfactual, can of course have nothing to do with what you have seen.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 582 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
The following is from Dr Adequate on that closed thread.
No-one's out there trying to find evidence that snakes could once talk, Perhaps snakes didn't talk through speech with sound waves. Ever considered that possibility? The spiritual realm was intermeshed with the physical realm at that time. Christians still communicate with God spiritually today, even though no audible speech is used.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 582 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Give me one delusion that is counterfactual. Every claim I made was a result of my personal experience with atheists and theistic evolutionists over the past 3 years.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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No-one's out there trying to find evidence that snakes could once talk, Perhaps snakes didn't talk through speech with sound waves. Ever considered that possibility? I did not specify talking "through speech with sound waves", just talking. And unless someone's out there looking for evidence that snakes used to be able to talk telepathically, then I hardly see the relevance of your question.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Here are six:
(1) You guys claim you have all the evidence but you never bother to connect the dots from evidence to conclusion. (2) If you do, the conclusion is not the same from one year to the next. (3) It is a moving goal post. (4) This does not even touch on the fact that (5) the reasoning that you do use is circular more often than not, (6) and when it isn't circular, it is so full of holes it can not hold water. Even you must be able to detect some degree of falsehood in there, since you move directly from asserting that we never do something to making assertions about how we do so when we do.
Every claim I made was a result of my personal experience with atheists and theistic evolutionists over the past 3 years. But perhaps you overestimate your capacity to detect circular reasoning and arguments with holes in: this would explain why you make false statements on this subject and why you are a creationist. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
foreveryoung writes: Give me one delusion that is counterfactual. From your previous message:
foreveryoung in Mesage 39 writes: Perhaps snakes didn't talk through speech with sound waves. Ever considered that possibility? The spiritual realm was intermeshed with the physical realm at that time. Christians still communicate with God spiritually today, even though no audible speech is used. From an even earlier message from you:
foreveryoung in Message 35 writes: The essence of argumentation and debate is starting from evidence and using reasoning to come to a conclusion. You should practice what you preach. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Speaking of evidence and talking snakes, back in Message 24 in 2006 I posted this evidence.
quote: I have not found any followup to this announcement.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4161 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: Genetic mutations are mostly harmful. The beneficial ones are relatively minor changes with no evidence they can produce new species. Its easy to explain how the beak of a finch changed when it experienced a new environment, but that does not remotely illustrate a process capable of making finches in the first place. Can you give me an example of how small changes can turn a shrew into a human?And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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