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03-10-2002 11:01 AM 		Reply to: Message 344 by KingPenguin
03-09-2002 1:56 PM

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what evolution doesnt need a beginning now?
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No, the ToE doesn't need a beginning.
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03-12-2002 11:50 AM 		Reply to: Message 346 by KingPenguin
03-10-2002 11:58 PM

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evolution cannot be an explanation for life as we know it if it does not have any where to start, it can however still occur. so you cant as of now hold up evolution as proof against God. Which probably means that evolution and creationism cannot be effectively debated until your willing to give it a beginning and maybe even an end.
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Abiogenesis started life, evolution had to wait one entire generation before it got cracking. Therefore life existed before evolution began, & is separate from it.
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When I said evolution didn't need a beginning I was speaking hypothetically (I admit I wasn't clear on this). If life existed forever (like God) then evolution didn't need a beginning, it always happened, & it is entirely separated from abiogenesis, which in this hypothetical never happened.
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03-12-2002 11:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 346 by KingPenguin
03-10-2002 11:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
evolution cannot be an explanation for life as we know it if it does not have any where to start, it can however still occur. so you cant as of now hold up evolution as proof against God. Which probably means that evolution and creationism cannot be effectively debated until your willing to give it a beginning and maybe even an end.
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Abiogenesis started life, evolution had to wait one entire generation before it got cracking. Therefore life existed before evolution began, & is separate from it.
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When I said evolution didn't need a beginning I was speaking hypothetically (I admit I wasn't clear on this). If life existed forever (like God) then evolution didn't need a beginning, it always happened, & it is entirely separated from abiogenesis, which in this hypothetical never happened.
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Mark
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03-12-2002 11:54 AM 		Reply to: Message 346 by KingPenguin
03-10-2002 11:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
evolution cannot be an explanation for life as we know it if it does not have any where to start, it can however still occur. so you cant as of now hold up evolution as proof against God. Which probably means that evolution and creationism cannot be effectively debated until your willing to give it a beginning and maybe even an end.
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Abiogenesis started life, evolution had to wait one entire generation before it got cracking. Therefore life existed before evolution began, & abiogenesis is separate from it.
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When I said evolution didn't need a beginning I was speaking hypothetically (I admit I wasn't clear on this). If life existed forever (like God) then evolution didn't need a beginning, it always happened, & it is entirely separated from abiogenesis, which in this hypothetical never happened.
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Nor do I hold evolution as proof against God, just evidence against recent special creation.
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Mark
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mark24
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03-12-2002 2:34 PM 		Reply to: Message 349 by KingPenguin
03-11-2002 10:50 PM

Sorry if this appears more than once, doesn't seem to be updating messages........
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quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
evolution cannot be an explanation for life as we know it if it does not have any where to start, it can however still occur. so you cant as of now hold up evolution as proof against God. Which probably means that evolution and creationism cannot be effectively debated until your willing to give it a beginning and maybe even an end.
​
​
Abiogenesis started life, evolution had to wait one entire generation before it got cracking. Therefore life existed before evolution began, & abiogenesis is separate from it.
​
When I said evolution didn't need a beginning I was speaking hypothetically (I admit I wasn't clear on this). If life existed forever (like God) then evolution didn't need a beginning, it always happened, & it is entirely separated from abiogenesis, which in this hypothetical never happened.
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Nor do I hold evolution as proof against God, just evidence against recent special creation.
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Mark
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