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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I've explained this before. The quiz comes from one source, a questionaire that all candidates on a ballot are required to fill out in order to be on the ballot. The questions in the questionaire are derived from the 3-5 most important issues as revealed by polls asking for the most important issues in the district in which the candidate is running. You are willing to rely on some of the issues to be vetted in the media, but not all. When would this quiz, that is a pre-requisite to even getting on the ballot, be generated? Wouldn't the incumbent have the most info to put on the quiz if it was necessary to make the quiz before getting on the ballot? In my opinion, the information about what your governor was going to do was out there in plenty of time for the electorate to find out about it, and for the opposition to rake the governor over the coals about it. Your objection seems to be that you wanted another chance to make sure people had watched TV. I don't want, what in my view would be campaign literature, shoved in my face before I get to vote. When people hand me "sample ballots" to look at before I get into the polling place, I throw them straight into the trash, preferably while in view of the distributor. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Benefit: The city saves money by building the dump in his backyard rather than further out into the countryside where the trucks would have to drive further, the drivers spend more time driving them, and perhaps even the roads revamped to handle the increased heavy traffic. More business can operate in the city providing places for his children to work so that they can afford health care, food, shelter etc.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
My point is that none of that is going to change the mind of an actual voter. The only thing on Jos's mind as he walks into that booth is the garbage dump behind his house and not some future employment opportunities for his (cancer-ridden) children. What you say seems intuitively correct, but we've seen similar arguments being made to justify limiting the reach of the EPA. Apparently some people believe that dumping air and water pollution into their own cornflakes can be justified if it creates jobs or generates cheap energy. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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This is simply because people don't understand what the EPA really does. I disagree. Some people make those choices despite knowing exactly what the EPA does because they calculate cost/benefit differently they you do. Pro football players continue to play football knowing that doing so shortens their life span. Smokers smoke despite the fact that whatever benefit they attain from so doing comes at a terrible cost. Some people don't care one whit if all the polar bears drown . It is a mistake to believe that a little more information will change Republican voters into Democrats or Democrats into Libertarians. And that's besides your correct point about voting rights.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I would say, after whatever current deadline exists for receiving enough signatures, to ensure that the people are actually going to be on the ballot. In other words, well before the general election. I see some pretty significant problems with that, but perhaps we could fix it by making it a late requirement.
Not necessarily. I would assume the candidates would have a well-thought out plan for the major issues facing the country The plan that might evolve over time, and candidates don't necessarily have the answer to everything that might come up during the election.
but then we could call bullshit on his ads claiming that he only did what he said he was going to do. Sounds awful hollow to me. It's not like you can impeach the dude for failing to keep his promises.
So you prefer to go in with less information than you could have to vote? Sample ballots would be useful, at least I would see if there were any tricky worded questions or people I had no knowledge of. I take the responsibility to inform myself. Do you know what a sample ballot is? In case you don't, a sample ballot is a mock ballot filled out by a partisan showing you how to vote for his favored candidates. They are handed out as close to the polling place door as the law allows. I don't need that crap.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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This isn't the way the three billy goats gruff handled a similar situation.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Huh? What is this a reply to? And how can all make a decision when only most have access to the tool necessary for making that decision? It's a reply to your stated position that the number of issues that percolated down to the people for direct decision should be reduced. Given that your comment necessarily refers to decisions that are already being made by the people, it seems silly to complain about a lack of tools for doing that more efficiently.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Fascist. I suppose that I am the one who introduced "jack boots" into the conversation, but in my defense, I think it was clear from the context that I was joking. I think the accusation of fascism is beyond the pale, and entirely inappropriate. I believe that the current proposal for informing voters is wrong, but it is no more fascist than is a driver's license road test. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Am I a fascist because I have chosen not to have more than two children because I put the nation, my planet and my species above my own rights and desires? Of course not. Perhaps if you tried to force a two child policy on other people for the good of the state?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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People need to be controlled. We often wont do the right thing unless we are forced to do it. Thats why we have to have police. People have to be forced not to drive drunk in order to protect other people from being killed. People are arseholes. I'll agree that dictatorships can be more efficient at enforcing a specific desirable policy than is consensus building in a democracy. But I still don't want to live in a country ruled by a dictator. I don't trust them to come up with the best policies in the first place.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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