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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Butterflytyrant
Nope. The CMI website and the 15 questions use this definition of evolution -
CMI’s definition of evolution for the purposes of this pamphlet is the ‘General Theory of Evolution’ (GTE). The evolutionist Gerald Kerkut defined this as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’1 This is a perfectly justifiable definition, and one that secular scientists would agree withand this is what the dispute is about!
(Source:15 questions responses 1 - creation.com) This is typical equivocation of meanings. The process of evolution (change in hereditary traits and the frequency of their distribution within breeding populations from generation to generation in response to ecological challenges and opportunities is not the same as the Theory of Evolution (ToE). The Theory of Evolution (ToE), stated in simple terms, is that the process of evolution, and the process of speciation, are sufficient to explain the diversity of life as we know it, from the fossil record, from the genetic record, from the historic record, and from everyday record of the life we observe in the world all around us. Neither of these are a "General Theory of Evolution". Curiously, doing a google on ‘General Theory of Evolution’ (GTE) does not get me to pages dedicated to biological science, but to pages dedicated to creationist misrepresentations. The top contender there is conservapedia . . . and when I use google scholar I get Safarti not science. Reference is made once again to Definitions, Daffynitions, Delusions, Logic and Critical Thinking. and Why creationist definitions of evolution are wrong, terribly wrong. Then I looked up Gerald Kerkut Gerald A. Kerkut - Wikipedia
quote: It looks to me like quote mining in progress, and an author that may have been careless. In any event this is the fallacy of appeal to authority, and a book written in 1960 is hardly an up-to-date reference even if it had been peer reviewed or used as a text book. Amazon.com
quote: It appears to be online atImplications of evolution : Kerkut, G. A : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive But I am having trouble downloading it. More later. By contrast I offer these definitions of evolution:
University of Michigan definitions of evolution:
quote: and Berkeley University definition of evolution:
quote: The sources here are universities teaching biological evolution. Also see Introduction to Evolution (not yet promoted) Enjoy References
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi again Butterflytyrant,
I've had some time now to review the book online fromFull text of "Implications of evolution" quote: That doesn't look controversial, especially for 1960. A lot has happened in the field of abiogenesis, and a lot has happened the field of cladistics of early life forms, and we have much more evidence than was available in 1960. Curiously, searching for the phrase "General Theory of Evolution" it get all the way to the end (p157) before I get to the quote in question:
quote: This is the quote mine (underline and color added for emphasis). There is only one other place that this phrase is mentioned:
quote: Now "not capable of experimental verification" would mean that this "General Theory of Evolution" that he alone proposes is not a testable scientific theory. Certainly this is not a theory "that secular scientists would agree with" -- in fact even HE does not agree with it. He says these assumptions are questionable and may not be true. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and hi again, Butterflytyrant,
You are preaching to the choir. Understood: I was adding my 2¢ worth.
Do you believe that the General Theory of Evolution is the same thing as biological evolution? I've seen a number of creationists argue that there is a "General Theory of Evolution" or a "Grand Theory of Evolution" but I've never seen a version accepted by a group of biological scientists. See Basic Fundamentals of THE Debate (now open to anyone), Message 8 (09-19-2006) where Murkywaters was quite adamant that he had a valid definition\approach for evolution:
quote: Wot a surprise. It seems there is one and only one source for this wondrous theory ... Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi herebedragons and Catholic Scientist
There are still things about the ToE I don't completely buy into Start a New Topic! Indeed. Several here will be happy to participate. The biggest problem may be the number of responses, so I would keep it simple at the start: one question at a time. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Butterflytyrant
And besides, I am going to get that fucking Don Quixote award if its the lat thing I do. okay already here's an avatar picture to go with it
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