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hooah212002
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Message 151 of 341 (648303)
01-14-2012 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 5:20 AM


Re: Computer Help?
Network driver upgrade/reinstall. Figure out what model motherboard, your operating system (32bit or 64bit?) and go to the motherboard manufacturers website.
If it is a store bought machine (HP, Dell, eMachines etc.) then go to their website. Dell actually has a utility that all you have to do is type in the service ID or some shit and it knows what your machine is. Fuck Dell, though, and I'm sorry if that is what you have.
Sorry if this is stuff you've already covered upthread, I couldn't be bothered to dig through your replies. I'm only on coffee numero uno yet.

Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell

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bluescat48
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Message 152 of 341 (648313)
01-14-2012 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by foreveryoung
01-14-2012 2:31 AM


Re: chemistry question
This is the best answer yet. I just couldn't see how it could accept another proton because it's valence is 6a on the periodic chart. H2S has full valence shells, and so it will be difficult to force another hydrogen onto it.
The problem is that you are using the filled shell as if each eletron pair is being used. On an HSH molecule there are 2 unused electron pairs. the same is true of HOH. A proton from any Brnstad-Lowry acid can combine with an unshared electron pair thus H3O+ the same with H3S+ It is the same in reverse when H3N combines with HOH to yield H4N+ + OH-
Such a rection would be
HSH + HCl = H3S+ + Cl-

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 153 of 341 (648317)
01-14-2012 12:55 PM
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01-14-2012 12:32 PM


Re: chemistry question
I finally get it now. I realize my difficulty was caused because I was thinking in terms of ionic bonds instead of covalent without realizing it.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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Message 154 of 341 (648318)
01-14-2012 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by foreveryoung
01-14-2012 12:55 PM


Re: chemistry question
Been there, done that, and ain't it neat when you do get it?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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bluescat48
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Message 155 of 341 (648335)
01-14-2012 5:00 PM
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01-14-2012 12:55 PM


Re: chemistry question
Actually it is co-ordinate covalent bonds. The point is that a substance is acidic or basic considering the whther it gives up or accepts a proton, (Brnstad Lowrie) or accepts or gives up an eletron pair (G. N. Lewis).
One substance can be both acid & base. one example is the self ionization of water. which occurs at at rate of 10-7 moles/liter HOH + HOH = H3O+ + OH-
Edited by bluescat48, : wrong symbol

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Straggler
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Message 156 of 341 (648338)
01-14-2012 5:08 PM


Question About Pi
How do we know that Pi is an irrational number? I.e. a number that cannot be represented as terminating or repeating decimals.
How do we know that Pi doesn't end after 10 trillion decimal places or just start repeating the previous 10 trillion (or whatever)?
Can it be proved that Pi is irrational? How does one go about proving that a ratio such as Pi is definitely irrational?

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foreveryoung
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Message 157 of 341 (648339)
01-14-2012 6:05 PM
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01-14-2012 5:00 PM


Re: chemistry question
Actually, two regular covalent bonds and one co-ordinate covalent bond if it is a proton being added and not a whole hydrogen atom.

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bluescat48
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Message 158 of 341 (648340)
01-14-2012 6:12 PM
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01-14-2012 6:05 PM


Re: chemistry question
Yes, and it does not only have to be a proton, any ion can such as the odd substance Tetra methyl ammonium hydroxide, where the hydrogen is replaced by CH3+, in trimethyl ammonium hydroxide
Edited by bluescat48, : correction
Edited by bluescat48, : sp

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 159 of 341 (648341)
01-14-2012 6:12 PM
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01-14-2012 5:08 PM


Re: Question About Pi
Can it be proved that Pi is irrational? How does one go about proving that a ratio such as Pi is definitely irrational?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_%CF%80_is_irrational
How's your calculus?

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Message 160 of 341 (648342)
01-14-2012 6:15 PM
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01-14-2012 6:05 PM


Re: chemistry question
Yes, and it does not only have to be a proton, any ion cane such as the odd substance Tetra methyl ammonium hydroxide, where the hydrogen is replaced by CH3+ in the substance trimethyl ammonium hydroxide.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 161 of 341 (648421)
01-15-2012 4:59 PM


the flood
In your opinion, what would be the top 3 to 5 arguments to put on the table to support the position that the flood of Noah is impossible?
There seem to be lots and lots of arguments, I am really just interested in researching a few in depth.
I am particularly interested in the ones that discuss the earth heating to the point that it would kill everything.
Cheers,
BT

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Message 162 of 341 (648422)
01-15-2012 5:01 PM
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01-15-2012 4:59 PM


Re: the flood
In your opinion, what would be the top 3 to 5 arguments to put on the table to support the position that the flood of Noah is impossible?
The existence of civilizations with continuous records all the way back to well before the flood supposedly happened, and they somehow never noticed?

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jar
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Message 163 of 341 (648423)
01-15-2012 5:03 PM
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01-15-2012 4:59 PM


Re: the flood
The fact that the genetic bottleneck signature in almost EVERY existing animal species and EVERY existing plant species that would have to be there if the flood happened does not exist.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Coyote
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Message 164 of 341 (648424)
01-15-2012 5:09 PM
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01-15-2012 4:59 PM


Re: the flood
There is no archaeological evidence of a global flood ca. 4-5,000 years ago.
We do, however, have clear evidence of post-glacial floods about three times as old and much smaller than the purported global flood.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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RAZD
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Message 165 of 341 (648439)
01-15-2012 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Butterflytyrant
01-15-2012 4:59 PM


Re: the flood
Hi Butterflytyrant,
In your opinion, what would be the top 3 to 5 arguments to put on the table to support the position that the flood of Noah is impossible?
Seashells on mountain tops.
This may seem counter intuitive, but there are several basic problems with seashells on mountaintops that show it was not a world wide flood event:
  • The sediment where the seashells are found have evidence of mature marine ecosystems that would need decades to produce, more than could possibly occur during a couple hundred days with normal growth behavior;
  • There are multiple layers of such deposits, not a single event, and different layers have
    different organisms that show evolution from one layer to the next;
  • floods do not produce mountains, plate tectonics does, with current recorded movement consistent with the long development of mountains;
  • floods pile debris in low spots, all jumbled up, not sorted on mountain tops;
  • different mountains have different ages, and the marine growth on them come from different eras of evolution of life on earth, consistent with the mountain ages;
  • there is not one thing I am aware of that is consistent with a world wide flood lasting a couple hundred days at most.
These problems cannot be resolved without invoking magic and made up scenarios that are just ad hoc inventions with no empirical basis.
But if I want to argue that the YEC worldview is false I would start with the age of the earth, as laid out in Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1.
The evidence shows again and again that the earth is old, very old, 4.55 billion years old.
Enjoy.

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