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Buzsaw
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Message 174 of 341 (648593)
01-16-2012 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Rrhain
01-16-2012 4:25 AM


Re: Explanation Of Global Flood
Rrhain writes:
Butterflytyrant asks:
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In your opinion, what would be the top 3 to 5 arguments to put on the table to support the position that the flood of Noah is impossible?
There seem to be lots and lots of arguments, I am really just interested in researching a few in depth.
I am particularly interested in the ones that discuss the earth heating to the point that it would kill everything.
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Well, you've seen the ones about documentary evidence, fossil records, etc. Here are a couple more:
It's topologically impossible. 97% of all water on earth is in the ocean and yet, we still have dry land. There isn't enough water on the planet to flood it. If there were, it would already be flooded. It doesn't matter how little above sea level the highest point above sea level is. The fact that it is above sea level means there isn't enough water to flood it for if there were, it would be below sea level. The physical existence of dry land means there isn't enough water to flood the planet.
If the claim that the water was stored in the "vapor canopy" is brought forward, point out that in order to store enough water as vapor would require the atmosphere to be heated to well over 900 C in order to keep the water in a gaseous state and not precipitate out. The surface of the planet would be sterilized.
If the claim that the "fountains of the deep" is brought forward, point out that in order to bring that much water from underground to the surface, the kinetic energy of all that water rushing forward will superheat it and again, the surface of the planet would be sterilized.
If the claim that the topological features of the earth were altered during the flood, that the continents split apart and the mountains rose up because of the flood, point out that the biblical story puts all that happening in less than a year. The kinetic energy required to split the continents and raise the mountains would superheat the crust, liquifying it, and the surface of the planet would be sterilized.
Rrhain, you've totally ignored what has been debated back when I was allowed in the science fora where I addressed all of this.
I explained the Biblical explanation of where the water went so as not to flood the entire earth.
To begin with there was a whole lot of water on the planet's surface post flood than pre-flood, most of it being in the atmosphere and sub-terrain. The Bible says that much of the watering of the earth's surface came from mist and fountains, i.e springs emerging from the earth's surface.
This would have a significant cooling effect on the surface of the earth and earth's atmosphere. much of it would evaporate and fall as dew, etc..
I've pointed out in those debates that as the atmosphere warms, heat effects a higher and less dense atmosphere which would limit and stabilize the temperature on the planet.
The canopy would allow for relatively even global temperature, explaining for observed tropical living things in the regions nearer to the poles etc.
It is unknown what effected the climate change which caused the condensing of the atmosphere significantly enough to suddenly flood the earth.
In Psalms 104 we learn that the flood caused a tectonic rising of the mountains and sinking of the valleys, i.e. "the valleys sank and the mountains rose". This implies a significantly smoother planet surface with small oceans and hills nothing as tall as our mountains.
The breaking up of the fountains and subterranean water along with the raining down of much of the atmosphere would work to sink the valleys and forcing up of the hills etc, effecting the higher mountains, etc.
It is known that the ocean crusts are an average of three or so miles thick whereas the continental crust has an average thickness of twenty miles or so.
The Biblical explanation for this would be the break-up of the subterranean water, coupled with the weight of the falling atmospheric water. The bottom of the subterranean lakes would become part and parcel of the ocean crusts. The whole event would set off a significant amount of volcanic activity globally, thus adding to the uplift and creation of mountains, etc.
These are some examples of where the water came from and ended up.
Both camps, yours and mine would agree that there has, in the past been significant meteor activity which could have (I say could have) effected the tilt and/or orbit of planet earth, so as to set off the global flood.
Corroborating all of the above would imply a whole lot less water needful to flood the entire planet than had the high mountains existed before the flood. As well, it would answer you question as to where all of the wheres and why-fores of what caused the flood, where the water came from and where it ended up.
The only thing Jehovah would have need to do was to set the timing of the meteor strike or what ever natural phenomena happened to be to coincide with the depravity of his once perfect idolatrous, promiscuous and godless people.
Prophets tell us that our end times generation will become similarly corrupt and godless precluding the prophesied day of God's wrath. Thus the observable fulfillment of end-time prophecies as per the ancient prophets.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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