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NoNukes Inactive Member |
would much prefer religious beliefs of all kinds are treated the same as astrology and alchemy. But you don't really respond to astrologists and alchemists in the way you address Christians espousing their beliefs, do you?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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But you don't really respond to astrologists and alchemists in the way you address Christians espousing their beliefs, do you? Of course not. And for good reason. Do alchemists and astrologists have a stranglehold on progression? Are they entrenched in politics? Do they try and shoehorn their way into the science classroom? Do they fight against the rights of others? Is there a substantial amount of the population who believe these things and are people met with backlash for daring to speak out against them? Is it political suicide for someone to come out as NOT believing in astrology or alchemy? {abe}And as a matter of fact, whenever someone I know does mention something about their star sign or some shit, I am right on it calling it out as bullshit. This even includes my mother. I've never met an alchemist though. I doubt anyone I know even knows what alchemy is.... Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Of course not. And for good reason. Do alchemists and astrologists have a stranglehold on progression? Are they entrenched in politics? Is that your impression of the Christian posters here? Do you treat them with disrespect because other Christians have a stranglehold n progression? I can understand your hostility to religion. I don't understand why that stance requires that you disrespect people in this forum, particularly those whose expressed beliefs are not in conflict with science or your personal politics. I'm not condemning you for the tone you use, but I don't find it reasonable. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I don't understand why that stance requires that you disrespect people in this forum Do I? The only intentional disrespect I lay is towards those who deserve it and positions that deserve it. I don't treat positions I see as irrational with kid gloves no matter who holds them.
particularly those whose expressed beliefs are not in conflict with science or your personal politics. People who cling to bronze age myths do a great injustice to society, IMO. These same people are more than willing to place the claim that morality stems from invisible sky jews. That doesn't sit right with me. I'm not sorry that you find my disdain for all religion and blind faith unreasonable. There is just no place in modern society for active belief in fairy tales or things not based in evidence.Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined:
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how one trolls properly.
TTFN, WK P.S. Extra marks for Willy Wonka in full on advice animal meme mode.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how one trolls properly. Thank you... thank you...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi NoNukes, very busy of late but
Opinions are due only a minimum of respect. If opinions are wrong, respect simply means that the opinion is not simply dismissed, but is rebutted with argument and evidence. No other respect is due. Opinions are due the respect of first understanding the viewpoint of the poster. If the opinion is wrong (in your opinion) then it is due the respect to address the who what where when why and how of it being wrong, rather than dismissal. If the opinion is misunderstood then it is due the respect of sorting out the misunderstanding/s and then dealing with the issue raised.
Bad arguments demand even less respect than do wrong opinions. It depends on the source of the bad argument: if it is ignorance then this should be addressed so that the argument can either be improved or dropped (if the person is open minded enough) Willful ignorance and delusions can be identified, and there is the possibility of eventually correcting them even if that opportunity is not taken at the time.
I suppose that makes it okay to call me "testy". I'll have a t-shirt made. Just don't put it under you bellybutton . . . Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I'm not sorry that you find my disdain for all religion and blind faith unreasonable. It's not your disdain that that I find unreasonable. What I find off-putting is your overt hostility towards people who aren't bothering you. But that's just my opinion. I don't expect you to change because of it. Others find the same actions part of your charm.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Opinions are due the respect of first understanding the viewpoint of the poster. If the opinion is wrong (in your opinion) then it is due the respect to address the who what where when why and how of it being wrong, rather than dismissal. I think that's pretty much what I said.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
NoNukes to Hoo writes: Others find the same actions part of your charm. I'm not sure even his biggest EvC fans would describe Hooah as a charmer......
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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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I'm not sure even his biggest EvC fans would describe Hooah as a charmer......
Probably not, but I do enjoy most of the post I get to read from him. And he's right to be aggressive in this day and age, when you have presidents leading us into war based on religious beliefs and funding being cut off from scientific endeavors based on the same beliefs. Beliefs not based on evidence have no place in modern society. Period. And we should argue this point aggressively. Anyone on this forum that can't take a hardy "go fuck yourself" every now and then should go fuck themselves. So keep up the good work Hooah, even though you're still a fag. - Oni
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Talking of charmers.....
Oni writes: Anyone on this forum that can't take a hardy "go fuck yourself" every now and then should go fuck themselves. And very enjoyable it was too.
Hoo writes: So keep up the good work Hooah... I'm not sure I would describe Hoo's style as necessarily "effective" but it is entertaining at times and there is nothing wrong with strident point making in principle.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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It is difficult to gauge the attitude of the lurkers, and the creationists that do post here are either Poes or, if they are seriously as stupid as they act, none of us is going to change the way they think, no matter how calm and collected and polite you are. They don't accept logic, reason and rationale. They think intellectualism is a dirty word. So I would prefer to just move past this and be post-atheist and treat them how I feel their beliefs are: fucking retarded. If one can simply point out how idiotic a belief is by saying "you believe that shit?" and very bluntly pointing out how stupid it is, then all the better. I just absolutely do not feel in the slightest that religion should, any longer, be given the free social pass that it has. Religion and irrational belief had it's time: it was called the Dark Ages and is now currently Islam.
It's time we move past where people think it's ok to walk into a crowded theater and say "and if I hear that anything is said against the holy Prophet Muhammad, I will hunt you down" or where it's ok for a state representative to call a 16 year-old girl "an evil little thing," a "clapping seal" and a "pawn star" just because she is an atheist who fights for the constitution. Beliefs in god are pervasive and need to be stopped because they cloud the minds of good people. Jut look at this poll and tell me I am being irrational. Here is a pic in case they end it or something:
So, if I'm not effective, so be it. I'll do my damndest to make you feel stupid for believing in a mystic jewish sky fairy that likes to watch you jerk your dick. Which is exactly where I think our society should be: embarrassed to believe in the supernatural. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3727 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
Wow, that data is scary for the USA. Thanks for providing it. Now all we gotta do is find out why the USA is so very different from the other countries in the survey. Not being from the USA, I don't really have any input, except that fundamentalists are much more common in the US. Do you think that could be the answer?
I gather that you're not exactly a fan of religion but I wonder how you feel about those to whom their religion is a personal belief, is recognised as being unsupported by any evidence and plays no role in their understanding of reality and science.
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