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Message 284 of 396 (618143)
06-01-2011 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by intellen
05-29-2011 5:55 PM


Re: Of course Nature reinforces.
Because NATURE cannot think, like thinking humans do.
Why is thinking necessary for the production of reinforcements?

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Message 294 of 396 (618868)
06-06-2011 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Portillo
06-06-2011 4:57 AM


God designed time itself, so God is outside of time and has no beginning or end.
So who designed the realm in which God resides?

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Message 352 of 396 (623075)
07-08-2011 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 351 by Chuck77
07-08-2011 1:26 AM


Re: A form of faith
RAZD, that did sound bias, what I mean is, as a person of "faith" being a Christian, i'ts my opinion based on observation, that a designer is responsible for Creation.
A buddist or a pantheist could both look at the Mona Lisa and decide the painting was a deliberate act, minus the evidence one would need for (ID) to be a Scientific theory. You can make simple observations and conclude design is a worthy option.
The difference being that Mona Lisa's do not reproduce. Life does. We can observe artists producing paintings. In fact, the only observation we have of paintings being produced is through human activity. Furthermore, many of us see religions as another manifestation of humanity's creative imagination. So I would tend to think that we designed the Creator, not the other way around.

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Message 377 of 396 (623827)
07-13-2011 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by bob123
07-12-2011 9:24 PM


Re: What happened before that?
Since there is no true beginning, you can never ascertain the essence or how of anything.
Baloney. Physicists and chemists have figured out how atoms interact, and they did this without needing to know the ultimate beginning of the universe or even how these atoms were produced to begin with. We don't need to know where hydrogen and oxygen came from to know that water is made up of two hydrogens to one oxygen, as one example.

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Message 387 of 396 (648987)
01-19-2012 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by Energy
01-19-2012 10:33 AM


Re: What happened before that?
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So it's not a question of causality, but mechanism.
Causality and mechanism are one in the same, at least how I view it. What causes evolution? Descent with modification filtered through natural selection. What is the mechanism of evolution? Descent with modification filtered through natural selection.
We could use a murder case as an example. The prosecution could present evidence where the defendant's fingerprints are found on the knife that was used in the murder. If the defense pointed out that the prosecution was not able to describe the ultimate origin of the molecules in the knife, or the ultimate origin of life on planet earth and hence the defendant, could this evidence be thrown out? Of course not.

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Message 393 of 396 (649079)
01-20-2012 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 391 by Energy
01-19-2012 7:36 PM


Re: answers to find depend on the question asked
If a footprint were found in snow, for example.
A person walking in the snow caused the footprint. The mechanism of creating footprints in snow is walking in snow. I still don't see a difference.
The origin of the footprint doesn't answer how the foot made the depression in the snow, which would be explaining the mechanism of it.
Perhaps you could tell us how they are different?

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