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Author Topic:   One liners, or how to make the PRATTS fall
herebedragons
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Message 9 of 50 (649517)
01-23-2012 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
01-23-2012 12:08 PM


Points Refuted A Thousand Times
I saw the term PRATT used a couple days ago and was wondering what it meant, now I know
Most of them are short and based on a deep misunderstanding of what the ToE actually says. It occurs to me that part of the reason they persist is precisely because they are short and the point they are trying to make is easy to understand.
I did a book review on Sarfati's book Refuting Evolution for my evolution course last semester. And I made this same point. His book was written to be read and understood by those with no scientific training. Although even a student in an introductory evolution course could easily pick out his errors, it is precisely that reason, the simplicity, the brevity of the arguments, that I think many are duped. They pick up a book like that wanting to find answers that they agree with, that make them feel comfortable - and they do. And they are easy to learn and hold on to. Simple.
I had a YEC friend of mine tell me the other day that the fossil record was out of order. That the fossil record was better explained by other means, such as hydro-logic sorting. I just didn't know what to say. I just looked at him. I mean where do you start? I didn't want to spend hours trying to explain why that doesn't make any sense when obviously he was convinced that it did. I think he felt like he had won a victory, but I just didn't have a simple, one-line, easy-to-understand, quick response.
My goal here is to come up with something we can use to persuade those who are on the fence or who don't really know enough about the ToE to see what is wrong with the PRATT.
It doesn't seem as if your purpose is to come up with snide remarks, but short, to the point responses. I am not sure it is possible. I think what bothers most people about YECs is how they insult science (and scientists) by saying that the tens of thousands of scientists who have worked hard in their field and have study and learned their craft actually know nothing about science. And a quack like Sarfati comes along with a couple simple, brief quips and thinks he has overturned hundreds of years of work. How do you correct that with one-liners? How do you teach science with one-liners?
Maybe the point is it gets tiring refuting the same non-sense over and over and so why waste the time? But I am not sure one-liners are the best approach.
If someone did make the point "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?", it clearly shows they have absolutely no understanding of how evolution works. Responding with "If Americans emigrated from Europe, why are there still Europeans?" will only sound snarky. I don't think it is as intuitive to them as it is to us.
I don't know, just my thought. I will be interested to see what people's ideas are for this. It would be nice to have some simple rebuttals to arguments like hydro-logic sorting.
HBD

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