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onifre
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Message 151 of 314 (650110)
01-27-2012 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Straggler
01-27-2012 3:31 PM


Re: Fat Tax
Yeah - Nature's law. Survival of the fittest. Isn't that what you advocating?
Oh, ok. I thought you were talking about monkeys holding court or something.
But yes we're on the same page, survival of the fittest. All animals eat well except us. We're not fit because we don't care to be. We are not healthy because we don't care to be. Shouldn't we care about not looking fat and ugly?
If we don't care about our looks and health, why do we get to bypass nature with healthcare?
Dude we also built hospitals and we also built McDonalds. So what is your point?
My point is that eating is natural and so is exercising. Buildings are not. Therefore, buildings require firemen to handle the fire. There is no natural mechanism to put out the fire. Where as eating doesn't need doctors. It's so simple, how can you not understand that?
I have spoken to mother-nature and she wants universal healthcare.
Nah, she wants these little piggies to get off the butts and do some light 7-8 mile jogging, maybe a little intense cardio after, and for sure she wants the fatties to stay out of Mc Donalds.
We shouldn't reward people with healthcare if they're going to stuff their faces and live inactive lifestyles. That's my point. Also that fat is an eye sore.
- Oni

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Straggler
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Message 152 of 314 (650151)
01-28-2012 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by onifre
01-27-2012 3:54 PM


Parody Logic
Oni writes:
But yes we're on the same page, survival of the fittest.
The human desire for high sugar, high fat food is a product of natural selection.
Oni writes:
We are not healthy because we don't care to be.
Not all medical problems are due to bad diet.
Oni writes:
My point is that eating is natural and so is exercising. Buildings are not. Therefore, buildings require firemen to handle the fire. There is no natural mechanism to put out the fire.
Eating is as natural as seeking shelter. But cheesecake and burgers are as unnatural as apartment blocks.
So even if we blame bad eating for all medical ills and even if we apply your parody logic we still find that universal healthcare to prevent and treat medical problems is as justifiable as as a universal fire service to prevent and deal with fires.
QED. Or something like that.

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Message 153 of 314 (650349)
01-30-2012 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by onifre
01-27-2012 3:23 PM


Re: Fat Tax
Just ask the Earth if she's enjoy all these buildings on her, destroying her, making it worse and worse everday to live her.
How do you go about asking the Earth anything? It is not a sentient being. It is a big rock, for all intents and purposes.
And all we need to do to save that is thin the heard by just letting nature take it's course.
Surely you know better than to use the Naturalistic Fallacy?

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Taq
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Message 154 of 314 (650350)
01-30-2012 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by onifre
01-27-2012 3:54 PM


Re: Fat Tax
why do we get to bypass nature with healthcare?
Healthcare is as natural as birds building nests or beavers building dams. We have arbitrarily placed a wall between what other species do and what we do. The former we call natural, the latter we call artificial. Really, there is no difference. It is completely arbitrary.
My point is that eating is natural and so is exercising. Buildings are not.
Are termite mounds natural? Bee hives? Rat nests?

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onifre
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Message 155 of 314 (650561)
02-01-2012 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Straggler
01-28-2012 10:26 AM


Re: Parody Logic
The human desire for high sugar, high fat food is a product of natural selection.
Well that's just wrong.
Not all medical problems are due to bad diet.
Name one.
Eating is as natural as seeking shelter. But cheesecake and burgers are as unnatural as apartment blocks.
So even if we blame bad eating for all medical ills and even if we apply your parody logic we still find that universal healthcare to prevent and treat medical problems is as justifiable as as a universal fire service to prevent and deal with fires.
Um, no, we don't find that at all.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 156 of 314 (650562)
02-01-2012 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Taq
01-30-2012 1:04 PM


Re: Fat Tax
How do you go about asking the Earth anything? It is not a sentient being. It is a big rock, for all intents and purposes.
Through the art of meditation. You need to reach nirvana. When you do though, you'll be able to listen to the Earth. I can do it. There are a few of us who can. Therefore my opinion, not to brag, should count more than the rest of yours.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 157 of 314 (650563)
02-01-2012 2:09 AM
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01-30-2012 1:08 PM


Re: Fat Tax
Healthcare is as natural as birds building nests or beavers building dams.
I didn't know beavers build dams so other beavers can eat all the greasy, fatty, heart stopping Mc Donalds they want and then call themselves disabled?
We have arbitrarily placed a wall between what other species do and what we do. The former we call natural, the latter we call artificial. Really, there is no difference. It is completely arbitrary.
This line of reasoning has arbitrarily placed a headache in my head.
- Oni

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Tangle
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Message 158 of 314 (650573)
02-01-2012 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by onifre
02-01-2012 2:00 AM


Re: Parody Logic
Name one.
Syphilis

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Pressie
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Message 159 of 314 (650576)
02-01-2012 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by onifre
02-01-2012 2:00 AM


Re: Parody Logic
onifre writes:
Name one
Malaria. I contracted the disease first in 1989 and it is recurring . I normally get it once a year (some years more than once, other years I don't). Without treatment I would have died a long time ago. It doesn't matter what I eat. Yeah science!
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Pressie
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Message 160 of 314 (650577)
02-01-2012 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by onifre
02-01-2012 2:04 AM


Re: Fat Tax
onifre writes:
When you do though, you'll be able to listen to the Earth. I can do it. There are a few of us who can.
That means that you and your few friends are special. Very, very special.
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Warthog
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Message 161 of 314 (650578)
02-01-2012 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by onifre
02-01-2012 2:00 AM


Re: Parody Logic
quote:
The human desire for high sugar, high fat food is a product of natural selection.
Well that's just wrong.
No it's not
quote:
Not all medical problems are due to bad diet.
Name one.
Downs Syndrome
Work related injuries
Psychiatric conditions
Getting taken off your motorbike by a courier van that cut you off. True story of a lucky escape where no fat people were involved and no cheeseburgers were harmed.
quote:
Eating is as natural as seeking shelter. But cheesecake and burgers are as unnatural as apartment blocks.
So even if we blame bad eating for all medical ills and even if we apply your parody logic we still find that universal healthcare to prevent and treat medical problems is as justifiable as as a universal fire service to prevent and deal with fires.
Um, no, we don't find that at all
People living in countries with universal health care would disagree with you. I do.
It's a difficult question because of the inevitable emotive nature - who deserves to live is the core of it.
The evidence of real world statistics suggest that regardless of morality, it makes sense to make health care more accessible on a purely economic level at the very least. Lower taxes and apparently better care than what costs you so much in the US.
Your argument sounds trollish - Poe's law applies
If you are for real, then I suggest...
Exercise Addiction and Dependence
Obsession with eating healthily
I entirely agree with your argument about population and resources but that's really not the issue here. I'm sure you'll appreciate this site. I do.
Edited by Warthog, : anal retentive grammar correction
Edited by Warthog, : added link

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onifre
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Message 162 of 314 (650590)
02-01-2012 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Tangle
02-01-2012 5:11 AM


Re: Parody Logic
Syphilis
Well that's covered in my overall healthy living lifestyle. Wrap it up when you're beating it up, I always say.
Also, if you work out and diet, you'll have a better body and will up grade from dirty syphilitic women to a clean, healthy yoga instructor who never have syphilis.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 163 of 314 (650593)
02-01-2012 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Pressie
02-01-2012 5:43 AM


Re: Parody Logic
Malaria. I contracted the disease first in 1989 and it is recurring .
It is a well known FACT that mosquitos ONLY attack fat people, and that's how you get malaria. Had you been slim and your blood not tasted like a jelly donut you would not have contracted the disease.
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 164 of 314 (650594)
02-01-2012 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Warthog
02-01-2012 7:05 AM


Re: Parody Logic
Downs Syndrome
P90 X has been known to cure downs. Look it up.
Work related injuries
They ALL happen to fat people.
Psychiatric conditions
A healthy, balanced diet with an intense work out program WILL cure depression. That is a fact and you don't need to look it up, cause I'm telling you it is.
Getting taken off your motorbike by a courier van that cut you off.
The courier probably yelled out "Get out of the way fatso!" and you didn't.
People living in countries with universal health care would disagree with you. I do.
Your third world opinion doesn't really matter to me. You guys can disagree all you want but the fact remains that I'm right.
It's a difficult question because of the inevitable emotive nature - who deserves to live is the core of it.
Nature is brutal and only the strong and fit should survive.
- Oni

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frako
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Message 165 of 314 (650596)
02-01-2012 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by onifre
01-27-2012 3:54 PM


Re: Fat Tax
We're not fit because we don't care to be.
Well you could pass social healthcare laws that exclude medication compensation for some things.
If you get hurt in my country while drunk at work you only get 70% coverage, drunk at home 80% coverage the rest comes out of your own pocket. (we drink too much so what you Americans eat too much), you also probably loose your yob if your drunk at work

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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