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Author Topic:   Top Ten Signs You're a Foolish Atheist
Huntard
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Message 4 of 365 (651041)
02-04-2012 7:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Chuck77
02-04-2012 6:01 AM


Chuck77 writes:
10. You vigorously deny the existence of God, yet you frequently blame Him for all the "evils" in the world, all the natural disasters, and everything else under the sun that is wrong in modern society.
That would be fucking foolish yes. However, if one were to deny the existence of god, and then sarcastically remark "oh yes, look how wonderful god is, with all the people he killed wit that tsunami", so as to indicate another reason why one doesn't believe in a god, then I wouldn't say that that would be particularly foolish.
9. You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when creationists say that people were created in the image and likeness of God, but you have no problem with the evolutionist claim that we all evolved from slime by a cosmic accident.
Yes, that would be pretty foolish also, since, one, that's not what evolution claims, and two, why would anyone feel dehumanized for what some ignorant people say about him?
8. You criticize fundamental Christians who believe the Bible, and say that it can't possibly be true because it's just a book written by mere men, yet you never question any of Darwin's writings or Richard Dawkins' books.
Yes, again, very foolish. I don't know anyone who does that though. Most atheists are perfectly happy to question both Darwin and Dawkins, and a whole bunch of other people.
7. You can't seem to understand the primary differences between fundamental Muslims and fundamental Christians (hint: strap-on TNT. Plus - Muhammad says, kill innocent people and yourself if you love me. Jesus Christ said, I’ll die for you because I love you).
Not seeing a difference between two things that are different is pretty foolish, yes. Of course that doesn't mean any of them are any good at all.
6. You say the Bible is full of fairytales and fables, yet you believe all life forms including plants, trees, insects, birds, fish, reptiles and mammals evolved from one species into another - As if evolution isn’t the biggest fairytale of them all.
Sorry, can't agree with this one, since evolution has heaps of evidence, and the bible has, well precious little.No, believing something because there is lots of evidence for it, and calling something that has precious little evidence for it a fairytale isn't exactly foolish.
5. You laugh at the Supernatural, even though scientists have calculated the odds of life forming by natural processes to be estimated less than 1 chance in 10 to the 40,ooo power — But you find nothing wrong with believing that billions of years full of random mutations would result in the impossible.
"Scientists" may have calculated that, actual scientists have no problem with this hypotheses. So no, not foolish.
4. You accuse fundamental Christians of being intolerant, judgmental and hateful, while you foam at the mouth calling them freaking lunatics, ignorant, weak-minded, stupid fundies, and hateful bigots.
Calling something for what it is is not being intolerant. If you said Stalin was a terrible person, and a mass murderer, are you being intolerant towards Stalin? Again, not foolish.
3. You ignore scientific concepts like cause and effect, and you don't realize that a closed system can be defined however the observer wants, so you throw out technological phrases to try to ignore the implications of thermodynamics by saying the laws of physics are not set in stone.
Ignoring scientific concepts is pretty foolish, yes. One wonders why creationists keep doing that.
2. While all evidence, logic and reasoning point to a Creator and absolute truth, you prefer to hide behind relativism and a theory of evolution which does not, in fact, describe the creation of the universe at all, or why concepts of good and evil or morality exist.
It's not the theory of evolution's place to describe those things. Therefore, hiding behind it to account for those things would be pretty foolish, yes. Luckily though, most atheists are smarter than creationists, and know evolution doesn't explain those things, so they point towards other explanations, that have nothing to do with evolution.
1. *Atheism fails to adequately explain the existence of eternal, unchanging truths, for it rejects the existence of an eternal unchanging mind. Atheism cannot offer man any eternal significance whatsoever. Temporary meaning in life is insufficient, for our accomplishments die with the death of the universe -- there is no ultimate purpose in a universe void of God.
This isn't even a statement like the others are. therefore, this has nothing to do with being foolish or not. It is also completely untrue and a lie.
So, if there are any atheists who doe the foolish things, then yes, they are foolish atheists. Now, care to point out any who think these things?

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Huntard
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Message 6 of 365 (651043)
02-04-2012 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by bluegenes
02-04-2012 7:21 AM


Re: Fools leading fools.
bluegenes writes:
Only a fool would start a list of signs of being a foolish atheist with a description of behaviour which must necessarily be that of foolish theists. And only a fool would copy and paste the other fool's obvious mistake onto a discussion board.
Now now, I think you're being a bit harsh here. Because let's be honest here, if there were someone claiming to be an atheist who would deny the existence of god, and who then subsequently were to blame said god for the injustices of the world, I'd consider that foolish to the extreme. Wouldn't you agree?

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Huntard
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Message 8 of 365 (651048)
02-04-2012 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by bluegenes
02-04-2012 7:35 AM


Re: Fools leading fools.
bluegenes writes:
Think it through. Only a theist could do that.
Yes, while technically, someone who blames a god for something must believe that god exists and therefore is a theist, if that someone were to call themselves an atheist, I would say they are a foolish "atheist". Of course, no atheist I know of would do this, and I think you'd be very hard pressed to find even a single one who does.
Regardless, I think one can also look at it from your perspective, which would make the claim nonsensical, kinda like the last one is.

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Huntard
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Message 99 of 365 (651350)
02-06-2012 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Warthog
02-06-2012 8:22 AM


Re: Chariot Diversion
Warthog writes:
Then there's what looks like a six spoke axle and hub. Strangely, there's no coral growth at all. even though axles weren't gold. I also have wonder how it has survived standing on end for 4000 years.
To be fair, this isn't a clean axl, this is a computer genrated picture of an axl, superimposed upon a coral, I outlined the coral to make it more clear (roughly, it's of very poor quality):

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Huntard
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Message 102 of 365 (651364)
02-06-2012 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Warthog
02-06-2012 4:10 PM


Re: Chariot Diversion
Warthog writes:
Yeah, I know - I was trying to avoid claiming that any of the images were doctored. Others are suspicious too. I was happy to dismember the 'evidence' as presented.
I don't know if "doctored" is the right word to use here either. i think it's perfectly reasonable to use this kind of imagery to prove a point, however, I would say that you just can't project an image onto something, and then claim this proves it is exactly what you claim it is.
Why call them cheaters when you can demonstrate that they're just wrong, I say.
Of course, there needs to be said only one thing however: "any evidence these coral forms actually are chariot wheels?" Nothing more would be required. I would however be interested in the "coral does not grow on gold" claim. I am suspicious of it, but knowing hardly anything about coral, can't dismiss it outright. Any light you could shine on that? Thanks in advance.

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Huntard
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Message 246 of 365 (652299)
02-13-2012 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Buzsaw
02-13-2012 10:26 AM


Let's try this
Buz, I'm amazed you're claiming to be kicking ideological butts here. Could you please explain to me where you did this, and explain why? It can even be in a PM to me, but seriously, I just cannot see it, please enlighten me.

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


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Message 254 of 365 (652363)
02-13-2012 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Buzsaw
02-13-2012 11:12 AM


Re: Let's try this
Buzsaw writes:
Huntard, if you had deemed me wrong, where were you when we were debating?
I never said I deemed you wrong. I asked you to explain something to me, something you seem unwilling to do, for some reason.
If you can't see where I was right and three were wrong, then no amount of further explanation to you is going to accomplish anything.
Really? Is this the response you give to anyone asking you for an explanation. That unless they already understand it, you are simply not going to bother explaining the thing to them? How is that ever going to work out for anyone at all. "Hey teacher I don't understand avalanches". "Well kiddo, If you can't see how avalanches originate, then no amount of further explanation to you is going to accomplish anything". "Gee, thanks, teach..."
I have a business, etc to attend to. My time on line is necessarily limited. When topics which I am allowed in get hot I expend more time than I should but do what I can while I can on behalf of bonafide Biblical creationism.
I never asked for an explanation right now. Respond when you have time. But really, is it that hard for you to go:
I said:
(quote A)
Then someone else said:
(Quote B)
This is wrong because:
(Explanation)
And that's why i said:
(Something about butts)

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 261 of 365 (652506)
02-14-2012 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Percy
02-14-2012 9:18 AM


Re: Playing Devil's Advocate
Percy writes:
Here's the way I think an informed Christian and believer in creationism should respond:
"Hey, guys, don't get yourselves all wound up in a tizzy, we're just having a bit of fun. We know atheists don't blame God for anything or think we all evolved from slime or all that other stuff, but you gotta admit, it resonates and it's funny. Get a sense of humor!"
But I doubt we'll see anything like this.
That would depend on who he means by "we", because I'm pretty sure there are Christians who do think this list is accurate.

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