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Huntard

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Message 5 of 20 (651029)
02-04-2012 3:10 AM

Reply to: Message 4 by New Cat's Eye
02-03-2012 1:23 PM

Catholic Scientist writes:

Bethke reversed his position

How so?

Indeed. Even though he says he hates religion, that's not the impression I get from the video. Hell, at one point he even mentions (at around 2:20):

quote:
I love the Church, I love the Bible and, yes, I believe in sin

Really? Well, what's so different about your beliefs and religion then?

But the real kicker comes near the end (at around 3:10):

quote:
Christianty is god searching for man

So, let me get this straight... "Christianity" is not a religion?

And, most apallingly of all (at around 3:20):

quote:
Because he took the crown of thorns and the blood dripped down his face
He took what we all deserve, I guess that's why you call it grace

He took what we all deserve? He took what we all deserve? Really? We all deserve to be tortured and brutally beaten? Wow, your a font of compassion, aren't you?

He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. There is no reversal of position, his position was pro religion the entire time.

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Message 7 of 20 (651045)
02-04-2012 7:30 AM

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02-04-2012 7:27 AM

Percy writes:

Where the title says he hates religion he means religion as represented by the established religious institutions. The reversal of position concerned religious institutions, not personal religious beliefs.

Then he should be more clear, and attack the institutions. Now he is attacking "religion" which is exactly what he wants there to be. And as far as "institutions" are concerned, he literally admits to loving the church. So, he is against an institution he loves?

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Huntard

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Message 11 of 20 (651117)
02-04-2012 1:38 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by Panda
02-04-2012 1:29 PM

Re: Artistic licence?

Panda writes:

But it's a poem!

We don't demand that Poe clarifies the motives of the raven, do we?

I certainly would. If one has the desire to advocate a certain view, one should be plain as day about it. Not a person in the world did ever get thither he longed to be by using archaic vernacular in a most allegoric sense.

Just a bunch of toffs really...

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