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jar
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Message 31 of 37 (651512)
02-07-2012 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


where is there evidence.
Sorry Charlie, you don't get the worm.
There is evidence of natural causes but no one has ever presented any evidence of some unnatural cause.
There is evidence of Evolution but no one has ever presented any evidence of any Special Creation.
Creationism is not a Christian concept, in fact almost every major recognized Christian sect acknowledges the FACT of Evolution and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the diversity of life we see today.
Creationism is simply fostering a cult of ignorance on innocent children.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 32 of 37 (651515)
02-07-2012 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


Alright, I am bored explaining the same thing over and over again but I will try one last time. Simplest possible terms, YES there is evidence that everything has parent ...
My car, for example, is the beaming bouncing baby of Mr. Honda and Ms. Civic. They were hoping for a girl, but they got a car. C'est la vie.

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Message 33 of 37 (651517)
02-07-2012 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


Despite your repeated claims to the contrary, it is a demonstrable fact that it required evidence to establish that every living being has a parent.
You may be familiar with the phrase "spontaneous generation." It's an idea that's older than Aristotle and was a commonly accepted idea until disproven, ultimately, by Pasteur (although he built on the work of others before him).
For centuries, it wasn't an obvious truth that life came from life. It wasn't until evidence proved the falsity of spontaneous generation that it was abandoned. It's only obvious today because of the evidence that Pasteur and others produced.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Panda
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Message 34 of 37 (651521)
02-07-2012 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


amp1022 writes:
Alright, I am bored explaining the same thing over and over again but I will try one last time.
You are not explaining. You are just asserting.
amp1022 writes:
Simplest possible terms, YES there is evidence that everything has parent but NO people don't need to see that evidence because it is an obvious truth.
Simplest possible terms: there is evidence that not everything has a parent but YES people (like you) obviously NEED to see evidence because it is an obvious truth which has completely passed you by.
So - now to the bit that you are unable to do - present evidence:
Now, this might seem complicated, so I'll slowly step through it with you...
An oxygen molecule does not have a parent.
"If a mummy electron and a daddy neutron really love each other, they hug in a special way..." - No.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Blue Jay
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Message 35 of 37 (651532)
02-07-2012 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


Hi, Amp.
Welcome to EvC!
amp1022 writes:
No one needs it proved to them that a sledge hammer to the face will hurt, even a mentally challenged person would be afraid to take a hammer to the face because they simply assume it would hurt. There IS evidence that it would hurt, but no one needs that evidence because of good old common sense.
I find it curious, then, that my baby daughter didn't develop an aversion to diving headfirst off the couch until after her first incident with the floor.
Edited by Bluejay, : No reason given.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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PaulK
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Message 36 of 37 (651535)
02-08-2012 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


quote:
Alright, I am bored explaining the same thing over and over again but I will try one last time.
You can't be tired of explaining because you haven't even started to explain.
quote:
Simplest possible terms, YES there is evidence that everything has parent but NO people don't need to see that evidence because it is an obvious truth
OK, you are repeating your assertion, but where is the explanation ? Why do you believe that ? Why should WE believe that ?
quote:
No one needs it proved to them that a sledge hammer to the face will hurt, even a mentally challenged person would be afraid to take a hammer to the face because they simply assume it would hurt.
Are you claiming that this is instinctively known, rather than simply something learned early in life ? If so, how do you know this to be the case - and even if you are right here, how can you possibly extend it to something more abstract like "every living thing has a parent" ?
That would be explaining. So please START explaining.
quote:
By the way, the universe is a complex system of millions or billions of galaxies...not an inanimate object which would be incapable of sustaining and maintaining itself.
Now you're just sounding crazy. The universe includes a lot of stars and galaxies - but that doesn't mean that it isn't an inanimate object any more than the fact that a rock is made up of lots of atoms and molecules means that it is not inanimate. If you want to go against common sense and claim that the universe is alive you're going to have to produce a lot more than that.

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Straggler
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Message 37 of 37 (651554)
02-08-2012 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


Amp writes:
Same rule applies to "parents" or causes (thought that was clear from the start).
Amp writes:
Common sense will answer most questions that science struggles with.
So the long and short of your pet theory is that everything has a cause and that this is simple common sense. As should be obvious this "common sense" approach leads to an infinite regress of causes.
So much for common sense as the be-all-and-end-all of problem solving. I have two questions:
1) How do you suggest we release ourselves from the infinite regress of causes that your common sense argument results in?
2) What makes you think that cause and effect isn't an internal property of our universe?

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