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Author Topic:   Top Ten Signs You're a Foolish Atheist
Buzsaw
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Message 187 of 365 (652014)
02-11-2012 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Percy
02-11-2012 3:48 PM


Re: Who Or What Athiests Blame
Percy writes:
First let me make certain of your position. This is the first point, point 10, from the opening post:
quote:
10. You vigorously deny the existence of God, yet you frequently blame Him for all the "evils" in the world, all the natural disasters, and everything else under the sun that is wrong in modern society.
And this is what you posted about it in Message 142:
Buzsaw in Message 142 writes:
Percy writes:
Buzsaw writes:
No, I don't subscribe to everything in the message.
So you presumably understand that it was block-headed to claim that atheists blame God for anything. Let's go on to the next item:
No. I don't understand it as being block-headed that atheists blame God for everything. Unlike you, I don't see Chuck as a block-headed poster. I regard him as what we lack here at EvC; more Biblical creationist apologists.
He, like me, likely knows that atheists do not blame Jehovah, perse for everything, just as I know that the Muslim god, Allah, perse, is not the blame for global terrorism. We both, did what many on your side get by with quite often, as noted in my Message 181. What we posted was not well thought out.
Imo, it was good that you and Trixie called us on it. It's just that I regarded your admonition as mean-spirited and demeaning to both of us.
Percy writes:
So just to be very clear, you now acknowledge that the first point, point 10, is incorrect, and that atheists don't hold God, a non-existent being in their eyes, responsible for anything that happens in the real world.
First off, some who call themselves agnostics and some who call themselves Christian post and believe just about all that atheism ascribes to. Imo, if some of them were honest, they are essentially atheists, hiding under the cloak as agnostics. That allows them to be fence riders in the debates so as to allow for themselves the benefits of both positions. I believe Chuck alluded to this. No doubt Chuck and I agree to it.
Perhaps some of these stealth atheists/agnostics do blame Jehovah for many evil things. I would have to do a long search to see if any self avowed atheists here at EvC have ever blamed God for anything. Perhaps some of them miss-spoke as Chuck and I have.
To answer your question forthrightly, yes. Item 10 was erroneous.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 192 of 365 (652033)
02-11-2012 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Percy
02-11-2012 9:07 PM


Re: Who Or What Athiests Blame
Percy writes:
Okay, on to point 9.
9. You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when creationists say that people were created in the image and likeness of God, but you have no problem with the evolutionist claim that we all evolved from slime by a cosmic accident.
This point is incorrect because it not a claim of evolution that "we all evolved from slime by a cosmic accident." The position of evolution is that species evolve through a process of random mutation and natural selection. Ultimately this leads to the conclusion that all life is related if you trace far enough back in time.
I addressed point nine in Message 142
quote:
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feel insulted and "dehumanized" when creationists say that people were created in the image and likeness of God, but you have no problem with the evolutionist claim that we all evolved from slime by a cosmic accident.
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Is this what you were referring to when you mentioned the primordial soup? If so, then you realize this is a false, too. On to the next:
I would say that the primordial soup was a prerequisite to the ToE. No primordial soup; no evolution.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 196 of 365 (652039)
02-11-2012 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Rahvin
02-10-2012 11:47 AM


Re: Premordial Soup Etc
Rahvin, hopefully I can respond to your message by and by. There's a lot here to think about and assess before responding.

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Buzsaw
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Message 197 of 365 (652043)
02-11-2012 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by dwise1
02-11-2012 10:42 PM


Re: Primordial Soup
dwise1 writes:
Which is totally false, as was pointed out to you, yet you persist in ignoring the truth.
Let's put it this way, in the vain hope that you will finally understand: No life; no evolution
Does that get through your unobtainium creationist bubble? Primordial soup is by no means at all a prerequisite to evolution nor even to the theory of evolution; life is. Completely and totally regardless of how life had originated.
Why is that simple fact so impossible for you to understand? Except if your twisted and perverted theology forbids you to understand simple truths.
The view outside your own rectum is truly amazing. You should try it some time.
For advocates of the primordial soup, both that and abiogenesis are prerequisite to evolution. No?
Btw, Dwise, this mean-spirited and demeaning message of yours enforces my point elsewhere that by and large, it is your type of evolutionist members who post off topic hateful content in your messages here at EvC.
A number of you are this type whereas. hardly any creationists post hateful and demeaning messages.
Imo, it would've been great for you to make your point in a good spirited manner like Straggler and many other kinder spirited members do. Your type here has a lot to do why good creationist debaters avoid this site.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 206 of 365 (652065)
02-12-2012 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by subbie
02-11-2012 11:50 PM


Re: Primordial Soup
subbie writes:
dwise1 writes:
Why do you persistently refuse to understand that simple statement?
The problem is that Buz lumps evolution and abiogenesis together because they are one and the same to him; ..........And, since he's incapable of understanding the basis for the difference in science, he simply assumes science lumps them both together the way he does.
In essence, he's projecting his ignorance of both subjects onto science and concludes that science is as ill-informed as he is.
Now look, Subbie. both you and Dwise are wrong. I did not lump them together. If so, cite precisely where I have and explain why!
I said that they both came before evolution, did I not?
Btw, do you have any idea what he means by lief/? To me lief is an adverb expression. (Perhaps you can explain. Dwise gets no more responses from me unless they are civil.)

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


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Message 207 of 365 (652066)
02-12-2012 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Tangle
02-12-2012 3:34 AM


Re: Primordial Soup
Tangle writes:
Really? Selective memory perhaps.
Personally, I'm not going to forget these in a hurry
OK, Tangle. Your post is well taken. I stand corrected. I'm no prude but I see some of the kind like what Dwise does as hateful off topic personal attacks rather than addressing points in a civil manner.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 213 of 365 (652097)
02-12-2012 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by subbie
02-12-2012 10:50 AM


Re: Primordial Soup
subbie writes:
What Trixie said.
I took "lief/" to be a typo where he meant to say "life?"
Our model man Dwise said it, not Trixie. You know, our poster of the month nominee?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 215 of 365 (652099)
02-12-2012 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Trixie
02-12-2012 8:12 AM


Re: Primordial Soup
Trixie writes:
Buzsaw writes:
I said that they both came before evolution, did I not?
No, you did not. You said that the primordial soup and abogenesis were prerequisites for evolution.
That makes three of you wrong and Buz right. Both were indeed prerequisites (came before) of evolution.
pre=before requisite derived from required, i.e. both pre required, i.e. came before, i.e. preceded, i.e. no soup, no abiogenesis, ( LIFE) no evolution for those who ascribe to primordial soup. My understanding is that the majority of scientists do.
Trixie writes:
So, prerequisite does not mean "came before". Life itself is a prerequisite for evolution since it's life that evolution acts on.
Are you telling the www that abiogenisis is not the genesis of life?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 225 of 365 (652195)
02-12-2012 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by dwise1
02-12-2012 5:21 PM


Re: Primordial Soup
dwise1 writes:
Buz, since you persist and insist that "primordial soup" is a pre-requisite for evolution, could you please explain to us exactly why that is? In sufficient detail and with sufficient clarity for us to understand why you think that, please.
Here's the Free Online Dictionary definition of primordial and primordial soup. Go figure.
quote:
primordial (pr-mrd-l)
adj.
1. Being or happening first in sequence of time; original.
2. Primary or fundamental: play a primordial role.
3. Biology Belonging to or characteristic of the earliest stage of development of an organism or a part: primordial cells.
primordial soup (pr-mrd-l)
A liquid rich in organic compounds and providing favorable conditions for the emergence and growth of life forms. Oceans of primordial soup are thought to have covered the Earth during the Precambrian Eon billions of years ago. The organic compounds in the primordial soup, such as amino acids, may have been produced by reactions in the Earth's early atmosphere, which was probably rich in methane and ammonia. The complex self-replicating organic molecules that were the precursors to life on Earth may have developed in this primordial soup.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


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Message 227 of 365 (652199)
02-12-2012 10:54 PM


One Sign
Top ten signs you're a foolish athiest? One sign is what some athiest types are posting on this thread.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 237 of 365 (652280)
02-13-2012 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Tangle
02-13-2012 3:30 AM


Re: Primordial Soup
Tanglel writes:
The kit is a prerequisite ..........l
Yes, i.e. analogous to the primordial soup.
Tangle writes:
- without the kit of parts I can't make the plane but it doesn't matter how I got the kit.
Tell me, Tangle, yes or no? The majority of notable biological scientists subscribe to the primordial soup environment from which life began, i.e. the prerequisite to life on earth.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 242 of 365 (652290)
02-13-2012 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by Percy
02-13-2012 9:22 AM


Re: Primordial Soup off topic
member account; Percy writes:
This is what happens when you participate in threads, and it is why you are not permitted to participate in the science forums.
.......And this is what happens when I participate in threads. I get blamed(ABE: censored) and admonished by member Percy for what you and a half dozen of your side propagate, especially when I begin kicking ideological butt on behalf of creationism.
Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 244 of 365 (652295)
02-13-2012 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by crashfrog
02-13-2012 10:12 AM


Re: Primordial Soup off topic
crashfrog writes:
Wait, you look back on an exchange where dozens of people show you you're wrong as a victory? How does that work?
It works fine for you and yours, especially when you and your majority make judgement on who's wrong; especially when the site's owner admonishes on you and your behalf.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 247 of 365 (652303)
02-13-2012 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Huntard
02-13-2012 10:39 AM


Re: Let's try this
Huntard writes:
Buz, I'm amazed you're claiming to be kicking ideological butts here. Could you please explain to me where you did this, and explain why? It can even be in a PM to me, but seriously, I just cannot see it, please enlighten me.
Huntard, if you had deemed me wrong, where were you when we were debating? If you can't see where I was right and three were wrong, then no amount of further explanation to you is going to accomplish anything.
I have a business, etc to attend to. My time on line is necessarily limited. When topics which I am allowed in get hot I expend more time than I should but do what I can while I can on behalf of bonafide Biblical creationism.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 251 of 365 (652312)
02-13-2012 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by subbie
02-13-2012 11:21 AM


Re: Let's try this
subbie writes:
Now please explain, in detail, how the Theory of Evolution will change if it turns out that the current thoughts about the primordial soup are wrong, and life was seeded by an alien civilization billions of years ago, or arrived in a panspermic process on the backs of asteroids.
Thanks again, Subbie for making my point that it's not Buz who propagates the off topic stuff in hot topics. With opponents like you, how can I loose?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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