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subbie
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Message 226 of 759 (651853)
02-10-2012 3:26 PM


Another Republican representative lies in the gay marriage debate.
She said she wouldn't wax eloquent.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 227 of 759 (652029)
02-11-2012 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by subbie
02-10-2012 3:26 PM


She said she wouldn't wax eloquent.
What can I say.. typical Republican.. she lied.

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Message 228 of 759 (652040)
02-11-2012 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by subbie
02-10-2012 3:26 PM


OK ... so just how exactly did she lie?

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Message 229 of 759 (652042)
02-11-2012 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by dwise1
02-11-2012 10:46 PM


I think she's supposed to have waxed eloquent, despite saying she wouldn't.
I didn't find her so.
My first thought was, "Who is Eloquent, and why won't she wax him?"
But I've had a few, so my take may not be reliable.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 230 of 759 (652044)
02-11-2012 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Omnivorous
02-11-2012 10:59 PM


That's it? Something that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "the debate"?
She's a Republican. She's supposed to oppose same-sex marriage. That's her party-culture's requirement of her, if not her party's. But instead of being a typical party tool, she decided to be a Mensch, a genuine person. She spoke from her heart and her heart told her plainly and clearly that this hatred against love is wrong.
She spoke the truth, from her heart. I cannot see how she had lied, except perhaps in a very narrow literalist interpretation. But then I have never been a literalist ... except when I read the Bible which then led to my becoming an atheist.
PS
And even though none of us knows just exactly who "Eloquent" is, whether he/she gets waxed or not, and by whom, should always be kept in private.
PPS
Ever hear of sotol?
Edited by dwise1, : PS
Edited by dwise1, : PPS

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Message 231 of 759 (652045)
02-11-2012 11:29 PM
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02-11-2012 11:13 PM


dwise1 writes:
That's it? Something that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "the debate"?
Subtle irony?
PPS
Ever hear of sotol?
Hadn't. Googled.
The state drink of Chihuahua and Durango?
Sounds intriguing. I'll check it out.
For medicinal purposes.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 232 of 759 (652048)
02-11-2012 11:53 PM
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02-11-2012 11:29 PM


Subtle irony?
Not really, that I could see. Yes, she did say that she would not wax eloquent, yet she did. That would have been true of any issue under consideration.
The "debate" was and is about same-sex marriage. Her party would have anticipated her coming out against, yet her own self and experience brought her out in favor.
But still, the fact of her waxing eloquent when she said she wouldn't has no bearing on the issue itself.
The state drink of Chihuahua and Durango?
Sounds intriguing. I'll check it out.
For medicinal purposes.
Years ago, my suegra (mother-in-law) send me a humor list, "Sabes que eres mexicano cuando:" ("You know you're Mexican when ... "; OBTW, she's Mexican). One entry was:
"4. Piensas que el Tequila cura la gripa y otras enfermedades." ("you think that tequila cures the flu and other illnesses.").
When I have a sore throat or a bad muscle pain, I take tequila for it. It does seem to help. Especially as a muscle relaxant.
The sotol is a related plant to the agave.

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Message 233 of 759 (652062)
02-12-2012 5:33 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by dwise1
02-11-2012 11:53 PM


dwise1 writes:
Not really, that I could see. Yes, she did say that she would not wax eloquent, yet she did. That would have been true of any issue under consideration.
I think you missed the gentle humour in Subbie's post.
If you re-read it with the understanding that Subbie is not anti-gay, then it becomes a different kind of post.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Message 234 of 759 (652316)
02-13-2012 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by dwise1
02-11-2012 11:13 PM


That's it? Something that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "the debate"?
anytime you can slander the right or the republicans, it is ALWAYS on topic and acceptable here @ EvC. you should know that double standard by now.
She's a Republican. She's supposed to oppose same-sex marriage. That's her party-culture's requirement of her, if not her party's. But instead of being a typical party tool, she decided to be a Mensch, a genuine person. She spoke from her heart and her heart told her plainly and clearly that this hatred against love is wrong.
i disagree, I don't think being a republican means you have to be against two people who love each other getting married.

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Message 235 of 759 (652328)
02-13-2012 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Artemis Entreri
02-13-2012 11:40 AM


Slander, libel
anytime you can slander the right or the republicans
Really really if you are going to make a lame argument could you at least know what the words mean.
I suggest you take a quick look at the words slander and libel. No links. Look them up yourself.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 236 of 759 (652376)
02-13-2012 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Artemis Entreri
02-13-2012 11:40 AM


anytime you can slander the right or the republicans, it is ALWAYS on topic and acceptable here @ EvC. you should know that double standard by now.
Pray tell, dear lad, specifically what slander are you referring to?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 237 of 759 (652427)
02-13-2012 5:27 PM
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02-13-2012 12:19 PM


Re: Slander, libel
LOL when the truth comes out it's time to get into semantics.

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Message 238 of 759 (652430)
02-13-2012 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Artemis Entreri
02-13-2012 5:27 PM


Still waiting
Subbie and I are waiting for you to tell us where the slander(read libel) is.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 239 of 759 (652431)
02-13-2012 5:38 PM
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02-13-2012 5:27 PM


Re: Slander, libel
Pray tell, dear lad, specifically what slander are you referring to?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 240 of 759 (652448)
02-13-2012 6:46 PM
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02-13-2012 5:38 PM


Re: Still waiting
everywhere in most threads if you can't see it i doubt i can show it too you.

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