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Portillo
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Message 27 of 404 (637489)
10-16-2011 4:19 AM


If a flood occurred, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, which we call fossils, laid down by water all over the world. And what do we find? Billions of dead things, which we call fossils, laid down by water all over the world.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 74 of 404 (638590)
10-24-2011 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Dr Adequate
10-16-2011 7:26 AM


quote:
Why? Is mass fossilization the usual sequel in the locale of a localized non-magical flood? Please provide evidence that this is the case.
If not, then I would have no such expectation.
Thats exactly what happens when a flood occurs. Have you ever wondered why we dont find fossils of animals today, only the past? Thats because to be fossilised, an animal has to be laid down by water and buried quickly.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 93 of 404 (639380)
10-31-2011 5:03 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Coyote
10-25-2011 7:51 PM


Re: Evidence for a recent flood
In Siberia there are 5 million woolly mammoths frozen. The mammoths are crushed as if something came on top of them and pushed them down. Many are standing, kneeling or looking up. Some still have undigested food in their stomachs. Fresh flowers have been found in there mouths, which they were chewing on before they were fast frozen.
How did that massive, violent death happen? How did the woolly mammoths freeze so quickly and turn into blocks of ice? Did it happen over millions of years or did it happen quickly with lots of water and catastrophe?
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Portillo
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Message 114 of 404 (639492)
11-01-2011 5:33 AM


You guys and girls expect me to answer a million questions. Not to mention the small minority who uses swear words and insults. Im just here to have some friendly debate. Its 2011 and were still talking about Noahs Flood!
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 119 of 404 (639577)
11-02-2011 5:33 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Panda
11-01-2011 7:51 AM


quote:
You are free to answer as many or as few questions as you choose.
If you choose to not answer any questions then that is not debating, but if you do decide to support your claims, then remember that there is no hurry - so you can take your time when replying.
Thanks. Im happy to debate here, but it can be daunting when I receive a stormy reception.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 121 of 404 (639768)
11-03-2011 6:18 PM


Alright I wont use quotes anymore.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 125 of 404 (641248)
11-18-2011 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Panda
10-31-2011 9:22 AM


Re: Evidence for a recent flood
quote:
Why do you think that the Flood could rapidly freeze the mammoths?
Scientists found a 15,000 pound mammoth in Siberia. It is so fresh that you could cut it and grill it on your grill and it would be perfect steak. And when they cut it open they found inside its stomach, perfect yellow buttercups (flowers). The only way a 15,000 pound elephant could be frozen that quick and preserve what is in its stomach, is to be frozen in a freezer that is 150 degrees below zero. Where on earth do we find a freezer like that? At the climatic moment, when the surface of the earth was ruptured and the fountains of the deep broke loose and the Genesis flood occured. Geysers of super heated water went 20 miles up into the air, exploded and came down as ice onto the earth.
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And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 136 of 404 (641544)
11-20-2011 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Wollysaurus
11-19-2011 7:54 AM


Re: Evidence for a recent flood
You guys and girls are the ones that are obsessed with evolution vs creation. Do you want creationists to come here and have friendly debate and discussion or is this a creationist rehabilitation centre?
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 142 of 404 (641861)
11-23-2011 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Theodoric
11-21-2011 1:03 PM


Re: Evidence for a recent flood
quote:
We don't want creos coming here trying to pass off lies and fables as evidence.
Well seeing how the Bible is a fable and myth, how can there be evidence for something that is false?

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 190 of 404 (642022)
11-24-2011 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Coyote
11-24-2011 10:05 AM


Re: Lets take the initiative
quote:
Why do you think the age estimates range from several thousand years ago to the Cambrian (500+ million years ago) and everywhere in between? It's a moving goalpost precisely so it can't be disproved!
Have you ever considered that those that believe in a flood about 4000 years ago are young earth creationists and those that believe in millions of years are old earth? Creationist organisations like Answers in Genesis believe in a recent flood and never "move the goalposts".
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 330 of 404 (643725)
12-11-2011 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Panda
10-24-2011 6:31 AM


quote:
This implies that floods no longer occur, which is clearly not true.
You claim that the creation of fossils requires that animals are laid down by water and buried quickly.
And that is what floods do.
But you then claim that fossilisation no longer happens ("we don't find fossils of animals today").
Can you explain how floods can bury animals quickly but fossils are no longer created?
In 1912, the Titanic sank. 1500 people went to the bottom of the ocean, 11,000 feet down. Many years later, someone went down with cameras and floodlights and found the ship. Broken in half and half a mile apart. They found thousands of pots, pans and other stuff scattered all over the ocean floor. But not 1 human, bone or skull was found. Why not? Because nothing that dies in the ocean is ever seen again. It is annihilated by scavengers. Not one fossil is formed in any ocean basin in the world today. Nature/Gods amazingly effective way of keeping the ocean basins from becoming garbage dumps.
And the same is true on land. No fossil is being formed on land today. Hordes of millions of buffalo bisons roamed the western praires and when they died they didnt go down and become fossils. The flesh was removed by scavengers and the bones disintegrated and turned to dust. Not one fossil of these buffalos has ever been found. But if you start digging down into the western prairies, what do you find? Fossils. They got there by being smashed by masses of mud in a global catastrophe. Instantaneously smashed and preserved.
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And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 333 of 404 (652617)
02-15-2012 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 332 by Pressie
12-12-2011 1:16 AM


quote:
How would fossils found in the western prairies indicate a global catastrophe called "The Flood?" Please explain.
Why arent fossils being formed anywhere in the world today? On land or water. If the fossil record is the record of life, why isnt the record continuing?
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 340 of 404 (652764)
02-15-2012 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by anglagard
02-15-2012 11:21 PM


Re: La Brea Tarpits
Don't lie again, be it intentional or unintentional. First time it can be passed on as ignorance, each time thereafter means you break a commandment.
Very few fossils are formed today and if they are its usually because of rapid burial and water. The point is that a flood creates perfect conditions for fossil formation.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 343 of 404 (652768)
02-16-2012 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 342 by anglagard
02-16-2012 12:17 AM


Re: La Brea Tarpits
Your the one that takes this topic so seriously. Im just here for some friendly and fun debate. The fact that we are discussing the Genesis flood in 2012 is peaceful enough for me.
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 345 of 404 (652771)
02-16-2012 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 344 by anglagard
02-16-2012 12:40 AM


Re: La Brea Tarpits
Sorry it makes your heart burn with rage. Im just here to have friendly debate.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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