And if you feel that you can’t go on [ a ] just believe [ system ]
when you know that you can’t go wrong,
in the Light you’ll find the road.
Parable of the Road – The light is with you in a brief time. Walk on the road in the time you have the light so that darkness doesn't overtake you. He that walks in the obscurity, credits a light, believing [there is] a road but doesn't know where he's going. In the time you have the light, see the road in the light so that you may become first-fruit of light.
Brief time: Immediate time. ½. A sequence of time that is abbreviated. Access in a brief or Immediate sequence. … believing there is a road – Synonym: Not seeing the road. B in Basic English – ...one walking in the dark has no knowledge of where he is going. Eclipsed quae creditur – ...walks in darkness [in lack of belief] knows not where he goes.
Parable of the Trail – Is there not a half day of daylight? A man may go about a half day without falling because he sees the trail in the light. But if a man goes about in the obscure, believing there is a trail, he may have a fall because the daylight does not depend on his will of believing.
Half day: ½. A mediated sequence of time that is a dividing of time. … believing there is a trail – Synonym: Not seeing the trail. B in Basic English – ...he may have a fall because the light is not in him. Eclipsed quae creditur – ...because there is no light [of belief] in him.
Hey it was crazydiamond7 that brought this muck up from the deep!
Since this thread is so old, how many of the beliefs that you expressed seven years ago do you still hold?
I believe in GOD, and am only now comprehending the scope of such a belief. For that reason, I "know" God less than I did 7 years ago, though ironically my faith may be stronger.
I resist thinking about things like redactors and limiting scripture to human wisdom...though quite honestly I cant support any further argument. If we dont hold scripture to be inerrant, belief becomes as philosophy. This does not bother me only because I believe that GOD is GOD regardless of the conclusions that humans arrive at.
Here all we're trying to do is figure out what John 3 (and some other day we'll try get to the possible relevance of John itself). We're starting with John 3:16 since I believe it is so totally and consistently misunderstood, misused and misapplied.
The Book of John is the only NT author that uses the term only begotten son. IMO, our anti-Jewish author was trying to make Jesus different than the past kings who were called "son of God."
The author of John promoted the deity of Jesus, which went against what the Jews were allowed to believe.
IMO, making belief in Jesus as a deity an additional requirement was a way to keep most Jews out of the club.
In order to kmeep this thread from being labled a zombie one, lets examine John 3 in context.
ohn 3 is pretty short and we'll be returning again and again to it so here it is in its entirety.
1: There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4: Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5: Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7: Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8: The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9: Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10: Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20: For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21: But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. 22: After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23: And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. 24: For John was not yet cast into prison. 25: Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. 26: And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. 27: John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 28: Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29: He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30: He must increase, but I must decrease. 31: He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32: And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33: He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34: For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35: The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
I would like to ask all of you to look closely at John 3:15-18in relation to what comes before.
Are there any difference in construction between those four lines and what leads up to them?
It seems to me that John 3:1-14 is a pretty straight forward recitation of Jesus teachings. He's speaking to Nicodemus, one of the Pharisees. Nic had some questions and as Jesus often did, he answers Nic's questions with a series of examples. In the conversation Jeus is clearly talking about man's relationship with GOD.
The passage ends logically at the end of line 14.
Then the whole construction changes, the speaker changes, and we move from a discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus to an outside commentator.
Redactor or no redactor, my question is whether this writing was inspired, by whom was it inspired, and were "both" authors inspired by the same Spirit?
There is nothing that in anyway can point to any source of inspiration.
Why would the source of the "inspiration" matter? What does the writing say?
Jesus says to Nick, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." So we have a source of birth. A spiritual birth. Note that Jesus doesnt just say spirit as in "we've got spirit yes we do, we've got spirit how bout you?"
He does also mention that, like the wind, we can't really determine where the Spirit came from...so maybe you have a point.
Mark Twain was inspired through learning...he didn't just pray like a monk in order to receive inspiration...he went out and learned it through social observation and communication. Does this mean that in order to get inspiration I need to work at it?