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xongsmith
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Message 226 of 314 (652836)
02-16-2012 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by New Cat's Eye
02-16-2012 11:29 AM


Re: Parody Logic
CS writes:
But not every individual has insurance... The cost isn't divided by everyone, and neither is the quality.
It's divided by the pools of payers in each of the plans, such as you.
Even if we were to socialize it, it still might cost a lot more than other countries and look unjustifiably expensive.
Yes, there most likely will still be a lot of graft & thievery going on.
BTW, there is free health care in the US - the uninsured poor in the emergency room are getting their healthcare paid for by an increase on the premium you pay for your individual healthcare. They get it for free. You are paying for it. In a national single payer system, everyone would pay into the system through something like taxes. Oh wait! These same poor paisanos don't a-pay no taxes, meaning the rest of us still have to pick up their slack.
In theory it would be significantly less of a slack to pick up than what you are paying for them now, because of a huge reduction in bureaucracy and the cost of the medical needs in the emergency room as opposed to a planned doctor checkup they would now qualify for and be perhaps required to do. In practice, though, those in power would surely still rig the system and pocket the $aving$ off in the Grand Cayman islands.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 242 of 314 (653224)
02-19-2012 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by onifre
02-19-2012 11:03 AM


RE: taking care of your health
Onifre writes:
If you exercise, eat right and stay away from un-healthy vices, then when you get to the later ages you've EARNED medical attention. But some fatbody, pumping his/her face with fast food, who never moves from the couch, has the BALLS to want healthcare all their life? I have to draw the line. That's bullshit, man, anyway you slice it.
Okay...
Maybe if we penalized bad diets & couch potatoes with something akin to those driver points. Each time you buy a MacDonald's hamburger pattie (twice for doubles, thrice for triples, etc.) you get hit with a point against you which makes your premium go up more than the price of the evil food. Each time you buy a pack of cigarettes you get hit with 25 such points. Bottles of booze the same way (now that might just bankrupt me). Each time you go the gym or something close to it, you get to knock off a point or two, if you have points to be knocked off.
This kind of logic is INSANE. It reminds me of the people who bought HOT coffee, spilled it on themselves cause they're idiots, then demanded money cause the coffee was hot.
Oh my friend Onifre! Please! Do your own research first before you respout this well-known nonsense. That was a legit suit. McD's had already been taken to court many times and had managed to fend off all with their big corporate lawyer arms - it was on record already - THEY HAD BEEN WARNED MORE THAN ONCE IN COURT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND DID NOT until this old woman demonstrated very painfully, sustaining severe burns, that the lid could not be removed without strength beyond her ability. Also the temperature of the hot coffee was way above what it needed to be. This is NOT the example you want to use for arguing against frivolous lawsuits. There are other cases to cite for that, I'm sure - if you look.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 247 of 314 (653260)
02-19-2012 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by onifre
02-19-2012 2:42 PM


Re: America the Beautiful!!!
Ok.
Fuck you, you lazy asshole. ;-)

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xongsmith
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Message 304 of 314 (656957)
03-23-2012 2:55 PM


I think it is at the utmost height of hypocrisy for opponents of the ACA (Obamacare) to decry the mandated enrollment in Health Care while also at the same time admonishing us all here in the USA to focus on personal responsibility. Hello? The uninsured are costing the average family medical insurance premiums some $1000.00 extra per year already. Personal responsibility indeed.
Upon simple review & analysis, the only people that would want to repeal the ACA are those who would lose their current egregious smelly profits on the backs of the citizens.
To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, when fully enacted, the ACA will finally eliminate the notion that being born female is a pre-existing medical defect.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

  
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